Sweden seeks to bring back conscription in 2018

[Deleted]

This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.

Yeah, listen to the warmongering Nation that has been at war for most of its existance.

[GennGreymane]

Maybe I'm looking at it from the USA standard of military where 3-5 years gets you a lot of benifits but if it's not like that then idk. I don't really see the issue with compulsory service, gets a little bit of discipline into the generation.

Oh please, its bad enough people think schools are indoctrination centers.....

[Tennis]

It's good to see at least one European nation take responsibility for their own defense, instead of relying on the US to provide it for them. You guys might also want to look in to arming boats, planes, and trucks. There is a lot of stuff that has changed since you last were relevant militarily. Some nations are actually delivering bombs via rockets. It's a magic time.

Why bother. Nobody is gonna attack us. Let the U.S. do world policing while we focus on economic growth.

[Deleted]

Go enlist for your country then if you feel that way.

No I probably wouldn't be any real help at all ^^

[Acelius]

Why bother. Nobody is gonna attack us. Let the U.S. do world policing while we focus on economic growth.

Sweden isn't even in NATO, why should the U.S. protect you? Norway and Denmark, while being in NATO, both have conscription so they actually do something.

[Calfredd]

Sweden isn't even in NATO, why should the U.S. protect you? Norway and Denmark, while being in NATO, both have conscription so they actually do something.

He's Canadian.

[Deleted]

There is a lot of stuff that has changed since you last were relevant militarily. Some nations are actually delivering bombs via rockets. It's a magic time.

Fun fact; sweden has the worlds oldest, still active cavalry (horses. we ride horses and fire guns. the official title is Dragoon. I'm not shitting you)

[Acelius]

Fun fact; sweden has the worlds oldest, still active cavalry (horses. we ride horses and fire guns. the official title is Dragoon. I'm not shitting you)

Hopefully it's just a ceremonial regiment.

[Deleted]

good on them. they should make all the immigrants that come to the uk do 2 years national service & see how many would come then.

You really want the military to have entire squads that would sooner join the enemy than fight them?

[Deleted]

Hopefully it's just a ceremonial regiment.

During the last 200 years of peace time, yes, but still an active military branch on paper (though if someone tries to actually deploy them I reckon that officer would get a rather swift demotion back to private)

Last time they were active in wartime was patrolling the border during WW2, though no combat was seen

[Spl4sh3r]

I see no problem with this if they change the starting time. I mean if it starts in the middle of a semester it is really weird. It should start at the beginning of it so people who are going to university don't have to pause their program and just get the option to start it after conscription.

[Deleted]

Hopefully it's just a ceremonial regiment.

We have the same thing in the form of the Horseguards and Horse Artillery, the current record for a confirmed kill for a sniper is held by a Horseguard.

[Zoranon]

This does not make sense a nation of cca 10 millions of people is planing to conscript 4000 people of both sexes per year? Thats is just odd.

[Bakis]

This does not make sense a nation of cca 10 millions of people is planing to conscript 4000 people of both sexes per year? Thats is just odd.

Educational puposes I presume, draft ppl for duties to educate others.
Thats what I got drafted as at the end of conscript time cos they knew it would end.

[Zoranon]

Educational puposes I presume, draft ppl for duties to educate others.
Thats what I got drafted as at the end of conscript time cos they knew it would end.

Not sure I understood you correctly, but i did not wonder about what those drafted would do, but about the number. 4000 seems a ridiculously low number. How are they going to pick that number?

[ranzino]

Not sure I understood you correctly, but i did not wonder about what those drafted would do, but about the number. 4000 seems a ridiculously low number. How are they going to pick that number?

Vet anybody ( ok, except those already injured) of certain age and look for the best 4k.

[Zoranon]

Vet anybody ( ok, except those already injured) of certain age and look for the best 4k.

That seems very, well unfair and if this is the case, people who dont want to be in the army will simply intentionally do badly on the physical test (other tests too if they are some), which will result in only those who want to be in the army to be admitted. In which case we are bad to where we were before conscription was reintroduced.

[TwoNineMarine]

It's 2016. Sweden doesn't need to force its citizens into the army.

If no one is signing up what choice do they have? Also the year it is currently is irrelevant when it comes to needing a functioning military.

No but people should have the right to refuse service and not be forced into it. While I believe each nation should at least have an army to defend itself(Most 1st world countries anyways). Forcing people via conscription IMO isn't the best way to handle it.

I agree there may be a better way to go about it but when you literally aren't getting enough volunteers for it normally what option do you have? Perhaps make it worth their time. Make it so they don't have to pay their taxes for 4 years after they are out or something. Idk.

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Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

To be so ignorant. Must be nice.

Humans haven't suddenly evolved in the 70 years since WW2. To think otherwise is idiocy. But that's what I find a lot of here on mmo-champ.

Doesn't that just mean the incentives aren't enough? (Pay/Benefits/College Subsidizing)

If people aren't voluntarily doing something, isn't it smarter to solve the root issue of why they aren't?

Yeah absolutely. They need to figure out why people aren't going that route. Once they do they prolly won't need the conscription. That would be my guess anyways.

[Berengil]

They do if nobody is signing up.

I disagree. Being forced to fight for something you don't believe in is a disgusting proposition. I suggest mass civil disobedience to resist conscription anywhere. When a nation's jails start to burst at the seams with people unwilling to comply with conscription, the matter will solve itself.

[TwoNineMarine]

Go enlist for your country then if you feel that way.

Been there. Done that.