None at all.
Did it last night for a laugh. Here's the quick summary:
- Even after I gave a quick explanation on Rot for Nythendra, the entire room was covered in patches.
- Demon Hunter pulling 75k dps.
- Every additional mob from the clouds on trash spawned.
- People running Ichors away from Il'gynoth, after I gave an explanation on why that's not a good idea.
- People dying in the Il'gynoth room even though I explained why you shouldn't be in there when the cast goes off.
- Several people standing on the edge of the platform for Spiderbird(tm) and getting blown off.
- DPS stealing feathers over healers and tanks and then flying off the edge.
- DPS standing in front of boss when she does Quills 2.0
And so much more.
And in spite of this, in spite of the fact that even on normal when you don't outgear the content the above would wipe you, we one shot every boss.
In spite of the fact that I, as a tank, was 8th on DPS. Despite the fact that people were only just scraping past 150k DPS on single target (Wow, my standards are SO high) and two of the healers were better off AFK.
So no, none at all.
Ignore mechanics, get carried by 1/3rd of the raid, collect loot.
The high point for me was vote-kicking a Mage who started berating a Shaman who (rightly so) told people pestering him for HIS personal loot that he would only part with it for gold (it's saying "fuck off you cunt" politely).
I may pay my subscription every month, but I don't lose sight of the fact that the other 4/9/24/39 people I'm grouped with pay too.
You're arguing emotion versus the technical definition of something. It's like the people earlier saying questing wasn't PVE gameplay or something. That's just silly. LFR puts you into a massively unorganized raid instance with a massively unorganized raid group.
You're not a hardcore raider or whatever, but by basic game definitions, you absolutely are "raiding". If you're not, what in the hell are you doing? LFR-ing? is that a word now? Do we just casually come up with new definitions to describe it when people play at settings we don't approve of?
That's funny. But just because it's called "Looking for Raid" doesn't mean it qualifies for actual raiding. No guild will take you if you say you have experience in LFR. No boss fight is remotely similar to any level of thought required to do them on normal, with the exceptions of bosses with instant kill mechanics. And if they are, blizzard nerfs them. You know why? Because it's not raiding. And a majority of the people do them have no interest in raiding in normal or above.
Like I said before, wipes happen pretty regularly in LFR, and not due to enrage timers (if they even exist in that mode). If what folks like yourself claim was objectively correct, wipes wouldn't happen ever, the repeat attempt buff wouldn't be in place, etc.
Additionally, 150k dps is probably about right for an average player who just meets the LFR gear requirements.
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Actually, even Mythic raid guilds would take if you show them logs and gameplay on Mythic level in LFR group. Because they dont care about it, they care about you. Stupid tryhards are what giving raiding bad name, not LFR.
And yes, LFR is raiding. You basically arguing with the word of God now (blizzard stated it is raiding).
The fact that you have to unlock the base appearance on the grid to open up other color options is annoying, that's all for me.
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You definitely can. Every important mechanic on fights has either been changed to be forgivable and easily recoverable from or out right removed on normal from the heroic counterpart. It's what they used to do to LFR... in normal now.
Anyone who's actually done the raid on normal knows how easy it is.
You're all "This isn't REAL raiding because of arbitrary reason, despite being in a raid group within a raid instance! They're not REALLY raiding because of this, they're not TRUE raiders because of this." You're applying arbitrary emotion to warp the actual vernacular of things. It's totally no true scotsman. How isn't it, lol.
NOTE I AM NOT DEFENDING THE SKIN'S ACCESS OR WANTING IT OR ANYTHING, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SKIN AT ALL, JUST MAKING A POINT AND OBSERVATION ABOUT HOW WORDS ARE BEING USED. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SOMETIMES THINK BECAUSE YOU COMMENT ON THESE SORT OF THINGS, YOU'RE MAKING SOME SORT OF STANCE AND JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, BUT I'M NOT DOING THAT.