Kicked from a Mythic Dungeon for DEing my PERSONAL LOOT

[Radaney]

Never seen a poll so split before.

[LanToaster]

Just remember the dynamics. If you're in a mythic pug and you're a dps, you should treat the leader of the group like he's carrying you and you're grateful for that, or expect to be kicked. Kicking a dps is nearly cost less to him. If you're a tank or healer he's going to think twice so you can be a bit more selfish.

There is so much Wrong in this statement. Group leaders should not expect to be treated as Allmighty Gods who grant others the opportunity to experience the Dungeon under his guidance.
Neither should the Tanks or Healer behave that way.

Holy Crap, if someone actually believe they should get special treatment just because he is a Tank/Healer/Group Leader, i would gladly leave the group.
You Should Respect other players, and respect the role they do in a Group. Honestly, where is the Respect to other Players?
You expect other players to be "Nice" to you and trade you their Loot. But you dont even respect others like "Group Members".
That Sounds like you treat DPS in your group as simple LootSlaves.

If you drove me to the store and I bought a lottery then won, do I OWE you any of the winnings?

Thats actually the Best Example here.

And if I need the enchant mats?

Buy Them. LoL
No Seriously. Yes, people expect you to buy them. But why dont they buy the Gear they need?
Double Standarts, thats why.

[xGLxAnubis]

As far as your analogy goes, there are no rules who gets MD cast on them. It's just generally accepted that if it's used it is being used to help a tank pick up adds or get aggro on pull.

... That's exactly my point. 'Generally accepted' IS an unspoken rule. You're saying there are no unspoken rules in PUGS; I counter with it's an unspoken rule that you DON'T misdirect to an AFK healer because it's a dick move. I've never had someone tell me that (Therefore: Unspoken) but everyone agrees that you don't do it (As in: A Rule) otherwise you're a dick. There's plenty of unspoken rules that people abide by in PUGs, claiming there aren't any is ludicrous.

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He's speaking about personal bonus roll. It cannot be traded. Unless I misunderstood, at which point he's just an ass - that would mean he DEd a piece that would've been useful to someone else in a run they were doing together.

You misunderstood; he DE'd an item he got off 'Personal loot' (AKA, normal boss drop) that he COULD have traded to someone else, who asked for it, but he refused and DE'd it anyways.

[Dreknar20]

that would mean he DEd a piece that would've been useful to someone else in a run they were doing together.

lol all these goody two shoes saying you should put a random dipshit you could care less about over yourself.........must all work at Disneyland

[Jewsco]

why would you DE it in front of them for? you were being a dick. at least say something I need it for off spec or it has better stats for me. to DE it infront of the group you knew what you were doing and now deal with the consequences.

[Pantalaimon]

... That's exactly my point. 'Generally accepted' IS an unspoken rule. You're saying there are no unspoken rules in PUGS; I counter with it's an unspoken rule that you DON'T misdirect to an AFK healer because it's a dick move. I've never had someone tell me that (Therefore: Unspoken) but everyone agrees that you don't do it (As in: A Rule) otherwise you're a dick. There's plenty of unspoken rules that people abide by in PUGs, claiming there aren't any is ludicrous.

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You misunderstood; he DE'd an item he got off 'Personal loot' (AKA, normal boss drop) that he COULD have traded to someone else, who asked for it, but he refused and DE'd it anyways.

The thing is about anything that is unspoken is that people have different values & ways of doing things, even in video games, and thus the idea of mandatory gear trading is *subjective*. Just going by this small WoW forum you can already see over two hundred players who don't feel that gear trading is an unspoken rule to them that is generally accepted. Now, if this thread is in quite the dispute about the validity of this 'rule' imagine how many more players of the remaining millions of WoW players outside of MMOC might also not feel that gear trading is some unofficial rule to stand by? Just because you run with pugs who follow by it doesn't mean you aren't going to run into many who do not want that.

Don't like people not giving you their loot, petition Blizzard. Oh wait, they don't feel it is a rule to play by either unless the entire group agreed to it beforehand...

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why would you DE it in front of them for? you were being a dick. at least say something I need it for off spec or it has better stats for me. to DE it infront of the group you knew what you were doing and now deal with the consequences.

Because there are groups who will give the hand it over or kick ultimatum anyway even if you don't DE it. At least by DEing it you have an actual excuse of why you can't to go alongside with why you don't want to.

[Glorious Leader]

common courtesy is also letting the OP offer to give it to someone.

Deing would suggest he clearly had no intent

[kensaki]

I don't expect anyone to give away their personal loot. It's their to do with what they want. Sure you can kick someone for not giving away their loot. But that just makes you an asshole an entitled one at that. Do you go and tell people they should give you their food cause your more hungry than they?

Yes their profession is more important to them than you random joe, who is just as likely not to want to give them loot if they need it. And calling giving away loot charity is laughable at best since you basically are threatening people with kicks. Guess blackmail schemes are charity too then? Give me a fucking break.

[xezar]

IMO, with the way it is now, personal means PERSONAL; you are perfectly under no obligation to share it with some random pugs even if the option is there. All for DEing your own personal loot in random pugs, I don't expect any other pugs to share. Now if it was your guild group, then yeah you're an ass probably for not thinking about inquiring before DEing it, but that's the extent of it. If the pugs are all guildies and you're the outsider, well I'm still for doing whatever you want with your loot, but yeah then expect them to kick you for it.

[Dequanacus]

why would you DE it in front of them for? you were being a dick. at least say something I need it for off spec or it has better stats for me. to DE it infront of the group you knew what you were doing and now deal with the consequences.

He knew that he got an item and had the enchanting profession. If people want to cry that they didn't get items that were given to others, they are delusional. People should not be guilt tripped into handing over items, let alone kicked.

Do I give people items that I do not need? Yes. Because I want to, not because I have a gun pointed at my head in the form of triggered party members.

[orgonutil]

dont lie, if you was on his place, you would not be upset?

[Mazeari]

When I think they are playing well for the current ilv, I will trade it. If they don't play well (most of the time) I just de it.

[darklady]

Never seen a poll so split before.

Beat me to it. That is rare to see out here.

My vote's in the first group. It's your loot. DE it, vend it, transmog it, it's your choice. Pathetic isn't a strong enough word to describe the sense of entitlement players have now.

OP, shake this dbag group off. My experience is players who will kick over something like this will kick you over anything. They're best avoided. A good rule of thumb is to have the raid leader type what the rules are in raid chat before starting. If they won't do it, don't join the raid.

Still, the best solution to this would be for Blizzard to not have personal loot show up in raid or party chat. There's no need for it.

[scvd]

I would have kicked you as well.

I love how you put PERSONAL LOOT in caps as if that automatically means it is just your loot. There is a reason you can trade loot.

Are you trolling? I can't tell

[HumbleDuck]

IT. IS. THEIR. LOOT. My god, what definition are you using for being a dick? Are we living in some bizaro world where people pressuring others to give what the game rewarded them as not being a dickish move? THAT, is a true jerk like behavior. Quit demanding that other people give you their rng awarded loot for the sole sake of making your gearing up process faster.

Learn to be patient enough to win gear on the merits of your own rng instead of thinking you are entitled to dip into the rng of your groupmates.

Preferring 1k gild over an upgrade for another person is a dick move towards that person. It is absolutely in their right to DE their items, but I also understand why others do not want to spend time playing with such people.

[Laqweeta]

So what I'm understanding here is I should give someone the loot when the open up trade as soon as it drops, whisper me "you don't need that give it to me", just because the ability to do so is there. Why should I reward that type of behavior? Or is that ok?

This was never wow's type of behavior. It's sad to see it in this state.

[Eleccybubb]

dont lie, if you was on his place, you would not be upset?

I have been. I couldn't care less because it is their loot to do with as they please.

[HumbleDuck]

I love how people are turning generosity (sharing loot) into an obligation (meaning it's no longer generosity it's what is expected of you) and suddenly it makes the person who won't share an asshole. It's like a Church that keeps track of monetary "donations" and then kicks out the members who don't give enough.

Not suddenly, a person who is not generous is called selfish, and selfish people are commonly referred to as assholes and dicks.

[rhorle]

its still nice to do it... you chose to without even waiting DE the item, when it could have been a 20 ilvl upgrade for the other person, yeah you had the right to keep it but still you were being pretty heartless just deing without asking if anyone needed a item first

The mats gained could be going towards guild enchants, profession leveling, or increasing their own dps through enchantments. There is something wrong when it is considered heartless to do something with you want with your own item.

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Preferring 1k gild over an upgrade for another person is a dick move towards that person. It is absolutely in their right to DE their items, but I also understand why others do not want to spend time playing with such people.

But what if you use that mat for an enchantment upgrade for you, your guild, or your friends? Is it still a dick move? Why does a stranger have more rights to your item then you do?

[Eleccybubb]

I can't wait for Nighthold to open up. Gonna be so many tears in pugs when someone DE's a tier piece.