"No way back, Sweden will never be what it was"

[Deleted]

False claim, followed by buzzword, followed by relativism and excuses. All of them without anything whatsoever to back them up or give them substance. You can do better than that (Nah, just kidding. We both know you can't but obviously you wont ever admit that.).

It's not a false claim just because you dislike it.

You are free to show how my mother and my friends are ruining the country by being here. Or how I am ruining the country since I'm only half-swedish.

[Deleted]

Points? Queue system? I've heard rants (mostly from rabid right-wingers) of Sweden being a pithole of Communism, but this surprised me. I thought Sweden was still basically capitalist, you know? Free market and all?

Note that these are private or at most municipality-owned companies that use these systems for renting out, not something state-owned. You can still own and trade houses/apartments like any other capitalist country.

It's not that bad.

[Tennis]

HAHAHAHAHA !
Good one mate, good one. For a sec I was thinking you were seriou...

Ho....

Ho you were serious didn't you ?
My god he is serious !

I was very serious. Look how well it's worked in Canada and the Scandanavian countries.

We need to keep our immigration levels as high as possible.

[Deleted]

And I think this is the very first time you've heard about them, the same as ethnic nepotism and other human behaviour. A lot of them which are logically sound. Ethnic nepotism is btw the best long term strategy as it combines altruism with a focus on the own group, while still allowing them to benefit from other groups unchecked altruism.

No, it just doesn't work as you think it does. The in group can be anyone that people identify with, it can be people who share your ideology and the out group are people who do not share your ideology. It can be the cultural group you belong to and the out group would be those who do not belong to it. It's not about being non-swedish.

It basically boils down to being different. Red VS Blue.

[Flarelaine]

Note that these are private or at most municipality-owned companies that use these systems for renting out, not something state-owned. You can still own and trade houses/apartments like any other capitalist country.

It's not that bad.

That is reassuring.

[Deleted]

No, it just doesn't work as you think it does. The in group can be anyone that people identify with, it can be people who share your ideology and the out group are people who do not share your ideology. It can be the cultural group you belong to and the out group would be those who do not belong to it. It's not about being non-swedish.

Deleth is two German words from showing his political allegiance, I wouldn't bother arguing with him.

"Ethnic nepotism" like haha holy shit, it's almost synonymous with national socialism for crying out loud.

[Flarelaine]

Deleth is two German words from showing his political allegiance, I wouldn't bother arguing with him.

In an another thread, I have just reached a similar conclusion.

[Deleted]

Points? Queue system? I've heard rants (mostly from rabid right-wingers) of Sweden being a pithole of Communism, but this surprised me. I thought Sweden was still basically capitalist, you know? Free market and all?

What the actual? I didn't know they were communist too.. I thought they were still mostly a free country as well. That is disgusting.

[May90]

Just because they tend to call rape "cultural enrichment"

Sure they do, honey, sure they do.

[Dezerte]

Points? Queue system? I've heard rants (mostly from rabid right-wingers) of Sweden being a pithole of Communism, but this surprised me. I thought Sweden was still basically capitalist, you know? Free market and all?

Is it "communist" to wait in line? What the fuck. My bank and local shopping-centers are going to hear about this!

[Deleted]

Because they clearly hate our society, our freedoms and our culture.

And your point is? Seems kinda random you brought them up.. unless youre suggesting that the far right is secretly bringing more refugees into the west or some such.

Oh waaaait, I get it now, I forgot you're a leftist and therefor unable to grasp the concept of individuality. Obviously to you its "if youre not with the program, youre part of the far right" or some such.

[Deianeira]

Thank you, excellent write-up that I agree 100 % with. If only our politicians, here in Europe particular, showed more appreciation for our christian history and faith.
That is also the problem in sweden. They gave citizenship to ALOT of people, particularly men coming alone, from very conservative (I would say draconic) islamic countries and did, like Endus, assume they were just as Swedish as the rest.
This has turned out to be not so correct; there are some massive cultural differences that aren't solved by giving the migrants a passport, which is why Sweden also has virtually closed its borders by now; because even the Swedish government can tell the difference ancient Swedes and new "Swedes" who happened to get permanent residence/citizenship more recently.

Oh, by the way. What kind of forum is this to have such a post infracted? It remains completely sober throughout. It is harsh to read, but soberly written.

You do realise that the reason Sweden stopped the flow of refugees was not because of cultural clashes but because there was not enough resources to handle them all.

[Deleted]

As our crimestatstic bureau (BRÅ) havent released figures of Swedes vs non-swedes crimerates since 2005 which is really before this open door policy escalated it makes you wonder what the statstics would be today as it was 250% higher risk that a an Immigrant commited a crime then an ethnic swede back in 05.

As someone already stated it makes me sick being fed all this government propaganda about how good and strenghten diversity is. I've yet with the exception of food yet to see any positive change to my way of life.

I really dont understand this perverse idea that we should bring hostile cultures into our own because it will unite and strenghten us, when has that ever proven to be succesful? It sounds more like the way Roman empire fell (go look it up) With Huns and Barbarians coming to live in the glorius Rome what was the outcome? Civilwar and the complete destruction of the Western Empire.

I was recently in Munich and experiensed the Oktoberfest (had a blast) really amazing to witeness those Germans in lederhousen, why cant we just keep our inheritage and culture go, travel and experiense the other cultures of the world, whats the point in hopping them all together in once place? All it leads to as it has before in our History to despair and war.

[Deianeira]

Because that's where their own countrymen live. They want to continue speaking their own language and be around people who behave as them, isolating themselves from Swedes because they are uncomfortable with speaking Swedish or encountering people who behave differently than them. If they didn't want this then they would choose other places to live, as many do but those who choose to live in those areas are a problem, unlike those who choose to not do so.



No, my friends can behave. What stops them from doing so?

And the vast vast majority of immigrants/refugees behave aswell so whats your point?

[ParanoiD84]

As our crimestatstic bureau (BRÅ) havent released figures of Swedes vs non-swedes crimerates since 2005 which is really before this open door policy escalated it makes you wonder what the statstics would be today as it was 250% higher risk that a an Immigrant commited a crime then an etnic swede back in 05.

Well seeing all gang executions lately it's all immigrant gangs fighting eachother in malmö, göteborg and stockholm with all the suburbs that goes with it.

Cant remember even one case where it's a native swede getting killed or killing someone in these gang wars we have had now for years, then again the cops almost never catch them either so hard to say lol, but if you have any idea what gangs are fighting eachother it's clear as day who is involved. Well they did catch the guys shooting up a resturant in göteborg, it was all somalis.

[Vash The Stampede]

Sounds good to me. A country with diversity beats one with no diversity.
Not to mention that immigrants help the economy.

Screw that noise. Diversity means less Swedish women, and you know what that means? Means more ugly people. Specifically, less Swedish women. We can't have that, no sir.

Also, the only time immigration was a good thing for a country is when you're freaking rich and own a business and don't want to pay the wages that the locals usually want. Know what I say to that? Robots!

[May90]

As our crimestatstic bureau (BRÅ) havent released figures of Swedes vs non-swedes crimerates since 2005 which is really before this open door policy escalated it makes you wonder what the statstics would be today as it was 250% higher risk that a an Immigrant commited a crime then an ethnic swede back in 05.

As someone already stated it makes me sick being fed all this government propaganda about how good and strenghten diversity is. I've yet with the exception of food yet to see any positive change to my way of life.

I really dont understand this perverse idea that we should bring hostile cultures into our own because it will unite and strenghten us, when has that ever proven to be succesful? It sounds more like the way Roman empire fell (go look it up) With Huns and Barbarians coming to live in the glorius Rome what was the outcome? Civilwar and the complete destruction of the Western Empire.

I was recently in Munich and experiensed the Oktoberfest (had a blast) really amazing to witeness those Germans in lederhousen, why cant we just keep our inheritage and culture go, travel and experiense the other cultures of the world, whats the point in hopping them all together in once place? All it leads to as it has before in our History to despair and war.

There is a difference here. The policy of multiculturalism is directed towards legal, conventional immigrants. The way they handled refugee crisis isn't really a part of that: refugees weren't taken in for the sake of diversity, they were taken in because it is a part of Western mentality, which is valuing human lives.

That said, diversity is a good thing. Sure, it brings in a lot of problems with it as well; but ultimately, if you look at the world, the most advanced and developed countries tend to be the ones with the highest diversity: the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, France, Germany, Sweden... There are some exceptions, like Japan - but even Japan is now changing its immigration system to allow more foreigners in, because their monocultural system is stagnating.

You can both maintain your traditions, and interact with other cultures. As long as the immigrants you are taking in are assimilated well, there will be very little problem. And lack of proper assimilation mechanisms in European countries is the real problem, not multiculturalism itself. When the asylum seekers are just given welfare, they have very little incentive to put in effort and get integrated in society. I think the US handles it much better: you will be getting some help temporarily, if you are seeking asylum - but eventually you will either have to find a job (for which you typically need to speak English, at least), or die off starvation, or go back to where you came from. It is a more pragmatic approach, I think.

[Tennis]

Screw that noise. Diversity means less Swedish women, and you know what that means? Means more ugly people. Specifically, less Swedish women. We can't have that, no sir.

Also, the only time immigration was a good thing for a country is when you're freaking rich and own a business and don't want to pay the wages that the locals usually want. Know what I say to that? Robots!

Please. There are beautiful people from all races and cultures. TO assert otherwise is racist.

Not to mention it's not like all Swedish girls look like that.

[nextormento]

Note that these are private or at most municipality-owned companies that use these systems for renting out, not something state-owned. You can still own and trade houses/apartments like any other capitalist country.

It's not that bad.

If affluent folks choose some market over another, and they are willing to pay more for the product, that increases prices. If the housing market offers a wider choice than the renting one -as it does when the availability of one is strictly paced- they'll choose to buy instead of renting, asymmetrically increasing the value of the buildings.
Tight control of the rent market easily -though not necessarily- hikes up the prices of new buildings.
Furthermore, such regulation is prone to some segregation: newcomer migrants, are more pressured to find a decent place, yet they've spent very little time gaining points (that affects young people as well), so they end up with less of an actual choice living in the less than optimal places (probably the outskirts, or in a rural setting).

But, let me guess: that point system is in place to make renting equally affordable for all. It's probably loved by the socialists, and contested by the liberals.
It is exactly what we were discussing before: that is a regulation in place to ensure social equality, yet it slugs the housing market.

If you're looking into deregulating anything, that is probably the greatest offender. I'd guess much more than a 20m2 living-room or decent sound insulation standards.
I mean, you guys are free to do whatever. It is, as we agreed, a balancing act. I'm not suggesting that you must deregulate it, but it is a lever like any other: if we want to absorb the increasing amount of people migrating to urban centers, we'll have to give up a bit of social mobility, equality, welfare, and all those things we love.

[Hell-Nicø]

I was very serious. Look how well it's worked in Canada and the Scandanavian countries.

We need to keep our immigration levels as high as possible.

I'm still not sure if you are a total brain dead, or just trolling. It's pretty hard to get the difference thos days...
Just watch that and tell me how well it worked : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFckEyyLfTg

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