WQ's cap at 835-840 gear(without titan/warforge) games raid or die again

[unfilteredJW]

You guys have to let them gear up so they can move on to the next complaint boss.

Stop stifling the OP's progression.

[kary]

Really? Why? Made perfect sense to me, and hes right. Gear helps in almost every aspect of the game. Not just raiding. Why would only raiders want good gear?

Everyone gets "good" gear. People also get gear suited to the difficulty of the content they pursue.
If all you do is click squirrels in Val'sharah, you don't need the same type of gear that you need to do EN mythic.
So the gear you get is "good" for clicking squirrels in Val'sharah.
If all you do is click squirrels in Val'sharah, are unwilling to do more than click squirrels and want gear from doing actual organized content, the gear you have, which is suited for the content you do, seems worse than it is.

So if you want good gear, click squirrels. It won't be *as good* as someone who raids, and it shouldn't be. Your gear is still good and more than adequate for the content you do.

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I thought they did a good job initially with the Unseen Set gained from various Rep Factions, Achievements, etc... that gear was equivalent to normal Mythics, plus they had set bonuses...I was really happy with that, but after you progress past the unseen set, now your stuck needed to raid or do keystones to progress... The unseen set should be able to be upgraded! 0/5 through Order Resources.....to max at current raid level items, currently 850-865 for normal

No. Fuck no.
Do dungeons. The point of the order hall set is to get you geared to do more content, not to be the only thing you do to get gear.

Anyway, you can see from the complaints and counterpoints that people want to do nothing but wq and be as geared (or better geared) than people who raid/high level M+.

[Zoneseek]

Everyone gets "good" gear. People also get gear suited to the difficulty of the content they pursue.
If all you do is click squirrels in Val'sharah, you don't need the same type of gear that you need to do EN mythic.
So the gear you get is "good" for clicking squirrels in Val'sharah.
If all you do is click squirrels in Val'sharah, are unwilling to do more than click squirrels and want gear from doing actual organized content, the gear you have, which is suited for the content you do, seems worse than it is.

So if you want good gear, click squirrels. It won't be *as good* as someone who raids, and it shouldn't be. Your gear is still good and more than adequate for the content you do.

That doesn't make any sense though. 830 blues are good enough for raiding, and you know what...raiders are usually the same alpha dorks that cry about the game being too easy. So why do raiders need any better gear?

I like the game easy. I want to 1 shot everything. So really, casual gear should be better than raid gear. Keeps up the challenge for the alphas and everyones happy.

[the]

This has to be the most pants-on-head post I've seen in a long time, and that says a lot.

What's pants-on-heads about it?

If you have answers to the questions, please explain why those answers don't apply to non-raiders.

[kary]

That doesn't make any sense though. 830 blues are good enough for raiding, and you know what...raiders are usually the same alpha dorks that cry about the game being too easy. So why do raiders need any better gear?

I like the game easy. I want to 1 shot everything. So really, casual gear should be better than raid gear. Keeps up the challenge for the alphas and everyones happy.

If you don't oneshot everything in 840's this game is too hard for you.

[Zoneseek]

If you don't oneshot everything in 840's this game is too hard for you.

Really you one shot elites at 840? Proof or it doesn't happen!

[kary]

What's pants-on-heads about it?

If you have answers to the questions, please explain why those answers don't apply to non-raiders.

So you're saying that you want people to wear lower ilvl gear just to appease your stupidity?
Harder content gives you better rewards.
Rewards that are usable in all content.

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Really you one shot elites at 840? Proof or it doesn't happen!

I'm at 849 without raiding and there hasn't been a world mob that has been challenging, yet.

inb4 stupid hyperbolic "i bet you solo raid bosses" comment

[Gsara]

Mythic+ is your progression. Havent done a raid since first week NM when we pugged normal and heroic and have no intentions of doing them again. Im sitting at ilvl 868 and its all from m+ and the world bosses. I also wouldnt worry to much about dailies loot, Im sure they will bump it up for catch up on the next tier.

[Deleted]

Not reading 12 pages and I'm sure this is brought up but, if you don't raid, you don't really need 855+ gear.

really ? but if you are doing M+ and not raids ? You still dont need more than 855 ? i call BS.

[zsecmmo]

geez.. this is like the third forum I've seen you cry in. As a game progresses content will become more difficult. Maybe if this was classic wow I would say don't cater to the raiders, but what expansion are we on? lol.

[A dot Ham]

Every bit of content needs a gear cap, i think 840 without titanforging is generous for the easy content, and when a new raid tier comes out, they can increase it further.


You're not supposed to get raid/mythic+ quality loot without putting in the effort.

And sorry, even if there was barely any loot from the world quests, there's other motivations (Rep, AP, order hall resources)

At the end of the day, gear rewards are there for you to progress to the next stage, so world quests only need to reward loot to get you into the next stage which would be actual group content (God i know, grouping in an MMO what's the world coming to)

Couldn't agree more.

For the first time ever (really) a person can play the content they enjoy and get decently powerful gear from it. With scaling being fresh to 110 with the rewards you receive while leveling up... is actually a bit challenging.

The assumption is that when/if new content is now added those npcs will also be challenging for 840 gear and thus require that we bump the rewards again.

It is also intended that players experience all aspects of the game. So if you aren't raiding, you aren't participating a fairly significant portion of content.

Personally i think WQs and below should be capped at 835 and LFR should be 840... but in the end it doesn't REALLY matter. The overall point is that a truly casual player can with a little effort get decent gear both in stats and looks, without some of the pain points they site as reasons for not participating in self-organized raiding.

Now if they could only get PvP to reward gear effectiently/appropriately...

[Zoneseek]

I'm at 849 without raiding and there hasn't been a world mob that has been challenging, yet.

inb4 stupid hyperbolic "i bet you solo raid bosses" comment

No but you actually said you 1 shot mobs, I would like to do that and im at 853. Can you tell me how you're 1 shotting them? Maybe a youtube video?

[kary]

No but you actually said you 1 shot mobs, I would like to do that and im at 853. Can you tell me how you're 1 shotting them? Maybe a youtube video?

By not being a whiny bitch you get powers to overcome pve in this game. It's amazing.

[HumbleDuck]

Aren't you tired of making threads like this?
You see your character progression in fast gearing? Guess what, you should get into harder content ie raids/ mythic+ . get over it.

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I thought they did a good job initially with the Unseen Set gained from various Rep Factions, Achievements, etc... that gear was equivalent to normal Mythics, plus they had set bonuses...I was really happy with that, but after you progress past the unseen set, now your stuck needed to raid or do keystones to progress... The unseen set should be able to be upgraded! 0/5 through Order Resources.....to max at current raid level items, currently 850-865 for normal

This actually is a good suggestion. I think acquiring normal lvl gear from world content is not a bad idea at all.

[Sodia]

Yep this logic worked in WOD.
HOpe you enjoy half the player base unsubbing.

The Logic worked since Vanila WOW and in any other MMO out there ...
This kid here is exactly what Socialism do with people , they think they deserve everything just coz they breath ....

[Chaelexi]

Yep this logic worked in WOD.
HOpe you enjoy half the player base unsubbing.

So you want to be able to do world quests that take no skill, minimal time investment for gear that is on par with raids, mythic+, world bosses and rated PVP? That is not playing an MMO it is being given everything without any effort. There is multiple ways to get gear in this xpac it is just you chose to ignore them, it is no longer Raid or Die as you say but it is Raid or Mythic+ or PVP or Karazhan in a couple weeks ........I guess Die because you refuse to do anything else..... BUt hey nice try.

[Zoneseek]

By not being a whiny bitch you get powers to overcome pve in this game. It's amazing.

Oh no problem I am able to overcome the pve however I would like to 1 shot everything at ilvl 853. If you can explain how you were able to accomplish that, preferably via youtube video with clear instructions, I would be forever grateful.

[Chaelexi]

Drop the squirrel toy watch people try to click on a squirrel that does not count.

[the]

So you're saying that you want people to wear lower ilvl gear just to appease your stupidity?
Harder content gives you better rewards.
Rewards that are usable in all content.
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I didn't say anything about what I wanted. What I wanted was for people to think about WHY raid gear is superior in every single context of Legion, and what that means to everyone else. I wanted people to think about "why do you need raid gear if you don't raid" is a garbage rhetorical question that constantly comes up that's been out there since raiding began -- except in vanilla where you did have raid gear that only was useful in raids (nature resist, fire resist).

The need for raiders to have raid gear is artificial, all raids could be tuned to be done in any gear. It's there to have a gear treadmill so that you constantly feel like you're getting an upgrade, that what you've done before is going to be easier next time, that you'll have an easier time than the next guy who didn't raid when facing the next boss. World questing would need that too if the player who only wants to world quest is going to stay. There is no "maximum easy" until you can't die and killing an enemy is like mining ore.

World Questing was over-sold. The impression here is that WQ will constantly be improving gear through world quests, but it won't.

https:// worldofwarcraft .com/en-us/news/20252892/legion-world-quests-and-you
@ 5:07 - Will world quests be a viable alternative to dungeoning and raiding for gear and other items?
Answer: Yes, but...
The answer was "yes" on this promotional material, but in game the answer is no.
"You're going to want to scan the world.. to see if there are upgrades"
but there will not be any upgrades on the screen if you're full 840+.

About gearing up @ 6:35
"If you're a player that just wants to do world quests, absolutely"

[Spotnick]

You can do PVP, Mythic+ and Raids to gear FASTER.

Or you can wait for Titanforged gear from WQ. Those drop at least de 860 I've seen it, and probably more.

You can craft 850 gear, soon 855.

Gear has never been easier to get.. I really don't see what is the problem. You can gear through WQ, it's just going to be longer...