1. #11721
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    It would be a good thing. Republicans would no longer be able to cheat their way to victory (a liberal scotus would shut down voter disenfranchisement laws too), meaning they'd be left no choice but to reform or see themselves replaced by another political party. So no more climate change denial, no more racial resentment and demagogy, no more LGBT hate, no more extremist positions on guns, no more catering exclusively to the economic interests of the rich, no more.... etc.... etc....

    Everything bad they are right now they would no longer be.
    Regardless of who wins, the US remains a center-right country. The Tea Party movement was the result the last time Democrats controlled the presidency, House, and Senate. (Even with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they still did not get much done).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollowlithic View Post
    God if I had a dollar for every time some decrepit old politician called for Trump to drop out.
    By this point, you could get a pretty fancy dinner. How about some Trump steaks and vodka?

    Oh...right...

  3. #11723
    Quote Originally Posted by Calamorallo View Post
    You realize that gerrymandering (1) only affects House elections and (2) the winner of the national popular vote has won the House in all but two elections in recent memory, right? It's not as big an influence as many say it is.

    When Hillary wins this election, she will not come into power with much of a mandate as huge swaths of people will just be voting against Trump, not for her or her policies to any degree. I don't think that I'm going out on much of a limb to predict that the Democrats will be crushed in the 2018 off year election.
    Gerrymandering is everything. It means democratic party policies cannot be enacted unless there is an absolute landslide election win. If its gone then the republicans can no longer block democrats and if they cannot put in their own policies nor block those of democrats then they have no reason to exist as a political force. The only thing making them still relevant on a national level is that ability to block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamorallo View Post
    Regardless of who wins, the US remains a center-right country. The Tea Party movement was the result the last time Democrats controlled the presidency, House, and Senate. (Even with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they still did not get much done).
    No its not. Its center left. It used to be center right but its not anymore. Why do you think republicans have gone so batshit crazy? Its because of this change. They are grasping by their fingernails to hold on and prevent the center left laws the majority now wants being enacted.
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump has no political history, and almost any examination of his policies (his tax plan that costs $5 trillion, his contradictory plans on China and Mexico, stop and frisk, his desire to use nukes, the stupid fucking wall) shows them wanting. During the election, he showed the opposite of diplomacy by alienating large chunks of the Republican party, as well as visiting another country and lying to it. He's a failure as a businessman on a variety of levels so large he's due in court for one of them just after the election and lost nearly a billion dollars multiple times -- and he very likely owes hundreds of millions to Russia and has been advocating some exceptionally Russia-friendly rest of world-hostile policies. And he lies about a large bredth of topics, including what he just said an hour ago in front of 100 million people.

    All he had to run on was his character. So it's 100% relevant. And he just showed that was as rotting and falling apart as Atlantic City.

    Plus you, like many other people and a ton of Trump supporters, are saying "he said some bad things". One of the bad things he said was "I tried to bribe a journalist under my employ into having adulterous sex, while my wife was pregnant". This isn't about his words, it's about his deeds.
    All I'm saying is, I would like to see more logical criticism and less ad hominem attacks. "Wow, he said dirty things about women 11 years ago, this is horrible!" Sure, it is horrible, and I wouldn't go on a party with him. It hardly affects my opinion on him as a potential president though. Possibly because it is already at the bottom of the well. :P
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    I can't explain it because I'm an idiot, and I have to live with that post for the rest of my life. Better to just smile and back away slowly. Ignore it so that it can go away.
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  5. #11725
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Not paying taxes isn't a crime but.
    I wasn't disputing anything that came after the word "but."

  6. #11726
    Quote Originally Posted by Calamorallo View Post
    Regardless of who wins, the US remains a center-right country. The Tea Party movement was the result the last time Democrats controlled the presidency, House, and Senate. (Even with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they still did not get much done).
    The tea party formed after GW Bush crashed the economy and republican voters wanted to drive the tax and spend republicans out of office. Obama wasn't even in office when it firmed, close but not quite. Your grasp of history makes me wish the Tea Oarty was interested in getting less taxes wasted on politician pet projects and more on history classes.

  7. #11727
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Ermmm...Maybe I wasn't clear. Trump admitted he sexually assaults people.
    No, he didn't admit that. Sexual assault is sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Trump says that he had consent. He said that they "let him do it." That's obvious to anyone who can read the transcript.

  8. #11728
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Gerrymandering is everything. It means democratic party policies cannot be enacted unless there is an absolute landslide election win. If its gone then the republicans can no longer block democrats and if they cannot put in their own policies nor block those of democrats then they have no reason to exist as a political force. The only thing making them still relevant on a national level is that ability to block.

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    No its not. Its center left. It used to be center right but its not anymore. Why do you think republicans have gone so batshit crazy? Its because of this change. They are grasping by their fingernails to hold on and prevent the center left laws the majority now wants being enacted.
    The Republicans won the popular vote in the last House election 51-45%. Please continue to delude yourself that this is all due to gerrymandering. Trump will lose because he is an awful candidate, not because the overall country is changing.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    The tea party formed after GW Bush crashed the economy and republican voters wanted to drive the tax and spend republicans out of office. Obama wasn't even in office when it firmed, close but not quite. Your grasp of history makes me wish the Tea Oarty was interested in getting less taxes wasted on politician pet projects and more on history classes.
    If you're going to be condescending, at least try to be correct. There was certainly anger about bailouts, but organization started in 2009.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
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  9. #11729
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Is "You supported Donald Dump in 2016" going to replace the "you voted for the invasion of Iraq" as the go-to de-facto political disqualifyer?
    Probably not, but it fucking should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    It makes me wonder...

    Is "You supported Donald Dump in 2016" going to replace the "you voted for the invasion of Iraq" as the go-to de-facto political disqualifyer?
    No. After he gets savaged in November, we're all going to do our best to pretend this never happened.
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  11. #11731
    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    No, he didn't admit that. Sexual assault is sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Trump says that he had consent. He said that they "let him do it." That's obvious to anyone who can read the transcript.
    That's the most asinine attempt at spin yet.

  12. #11732
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    It makes me wonder...

    Is "You supported Donald Dump in 2016" going to replace the "you voted for the invasion of Iraq" as the go-to de-facto political disqualifyer?
    i suppose that will happen
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  13. #11733
    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    No, he didn't admit that. Sexual assault is sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Trump says that he had consent. He said that they "let him do it." That's obvious to anyone who can read the transcript.
    Only if you confuse resistance with consent.

  14. #11734
    Quote Originally Posted by Calamorallo View Post
    The Republicans won the popular vote in the last House election 51-45%. Please continue to delude yourself that this is all due to gerrymandering. Trump will lose because he is an awful candidate, not because the overall country is changing.



    If you're going to be condescending, at least try to be correct.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
    They won in a low turn out election.

    I don't know why you are arguing about this since all the data is easy to find.

    Democrats are the majority of voters but they are on average substantially younger than republicans. That means lower turnout in midterms than more consistently voting republican retirees.

    The country is also changing. Every 4 years sees some ~5 million republican voters replaced by ~10 million democrats as young voters align strongly with democrats and the old ones who die off are mostly republican. This means a ~2% on average swing to democrats with every 4 year cycle. 2016 was a benchmark year - it was the first year in which millennials outnumbered boomers. You know what share of millennials align with republican values? 20%. Yes, that's right, only 20%. By 2024 it will be continual democratic landslides as republican attempts to gerrymander and disenfranchise will no longer be enough.

    Again I'm unsure why you are arguing against this since everything I am saying is well known. But then republicans have a well known tendency to go into denial about reality when reality contradicts what they'd like to be true.
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  15. #11735
    Quote Originally Posted by bergmann620 View Post
    No. After he gets savaged in November, we're all going to do our best to pretend this never happened.
    I'm not, and I hope nobody ever does. This is important shit, we need to remember how close we were to letting an unhinged demagogue get elected to the presidency.

    This is the kind of shit I hope they teach in US history classes moving forward.

  16. #11736
    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    No, he didn't admit that. Sexual assault is sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Trump says that he had consent. He said that they "let him do it." That's obvious to anyone who can read the transcript.
    What he said more was along the lines of "I do whatever I want to women--without asking for permission--and they let me." I VERY HIGHLY doubt that every single woman that Trump has made an advance to (without asking if he could touch/kiss/whatever her) was actually OK with what was happening.

    Not all women's panties insta-drop at the sight of a guy with fame/cash, especially if he comes across like a narcissistic douchebag. As Trump does.

  17. #11737
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    That's the most asinine attempt at spin yet.
    Thanks for the constructive reply. Let me know if you have anything intelligent to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    What he said more was along the lines of "I do whatever I want to women--without asking for permission--and they let me." I VERY HIGHLY doubt that every single woman that Trump has made an advance to (without asking if he could touch/kiss/whatever her) was actually OK with what was happening.

    Not all women's panties insta-drop at the sight of a guy with fame/cash, especially if he comes across like a narcissistic douchebag. As Trump does.
    your just jealous you can't be as awesome rich and successful as he is. plus celista we all seen the posts you made about trump and his dick. just admit your in love with him celista it's ok.
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  19. #11739
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Only if you confuse resistance with consent.
    It doesn't matter what I confuse. We're talking to what Trump admitted to, correct? He admitted to nothing. He said women "let" him. "Let" means consent. Now maybe they didn't let him. Maybe they did. I don't know. Maybe there are no women. Maybe Trump made the whole thing up. Maybe there's 2,000 women. It doesn't matter. People said Trump's statement was an admission of sexual assault. It wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Another person who doesn't know what consent is.
    You still don't understand the point I'm making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    your just jealous you can't be as awesome rich and successful as he is. plus celista we all seen the posts you made about trump and his dick. just admit your in love with him celista it's ok.
    i know you have a personal issue with celist because she has a draenei avatar
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