Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[alabaster jones]

Regarding the Nostalrius news, will be good to see Blizzard finally say yes or no.

I'm finding it hard to predict what will actually happen, I mean yes they let the MOBA genre slip through their fingers after years of the DOTA community begging and pleading with Blizzard, but they did come around eventually (heroes of the storm), albeit far too late. On the other hand, they got the timing right on Overwatch and Hearthstone. Also with the departure of Metzen and the huge raft of changes/deaths/promotions/demotions in the lore in Legion, I'd expect the next expansion to take longer than usual, just while whoever is coming up with the plot figures out where the hell they're going to go from where we are now. I can't blame Metzen for wanting to go out with a bang, and tie up as many loose ends as he could, and it was a bit of a selling point, with virtually every major and minor character in the lore showing up in Legion, but I don't envy whoever has to pick up the pieces and try and cobble together the story for the next expansion.

I can see them launching legacy servers and giving you access to both versions of WoW under your b.net account, but I can also see them playing it safe and not wanting to take the risk, given the success of HS & OW. Because while the MMO genre will always be around, the golden age of the MMO has been and gone, and I'm not sure whoever is in ultimately in charge of the purse strings at ActiBlizz would be able to be convinced of the case for legacy servers, given that it targets a niche market, not the usual 'everybody and their mother' market Blizzard usually goes for. But on the other hand, if they play it smart and start small, launching servers to match the demand, it could be pitched as low risk, low investment, and a value add to retain subscribers and bring back old ones.

If I was betting I'd probably lean towards a no, but I'm still really struggling to go with that call given that Legion feels like a bit of a swansong for WoW, and between now and the next expansion would be the perfect time to launch legacy servers, if they've decided to.

[Darktbs]

Υes, it was. I played Vanilla, did both organized PvP and Raiding, and I still play Vanilla to this day together with my wife.

People in my guild on the Vanilla server I play, are all about my age (30's-40's) and all Vanilla veterans. There is a big difference between people who play Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK in private servers and the people who play retail. The latter are mostly children and teenagers.

This is no surprise, as Retail "WoW" has been purposefully designed from Cataclysm onwards to cater to children and teenagers. Pokemon, Kung Fu Pandas, hundreds of different mounts a la" My Little Pony", game mechanics getting simplified to the extreme, blanket removal of any kind of challenge during levelling and dungeons, class homogenization, game world being trivialized, professions made extremely easy etc.

Veteran WoW players in my age group don't consider Retail WoW worthy of their attention as it is far too easy and too socialist to be worth it. There is no sense of achievement in Retail any more. Everyone has everything. Such a world might appeal to children but it is far too different from real world to appeal to people in my age group.

THIS kind of attitude is the reason most people don't take Legacy people seriously.
"What i play is the right WoW,the rest is just but a shadow of (Insert time of WoW)."
"Vanilla was the best everything else is just child game."

I wouln't mind people having their own server.But i know your kind,the Pokémon fanbase have people like you,we call then Genwunners,people that claim that only the first generation of Pokémon was the best and everything after that is garbage(Sounds familiar?)And guess what place they have in the Pokémon community?None,they do nothing but annoy people and spread toxicity just like you..."Veterans".

[Vineri]

MMO champion would be the last place I would advertise a vanilla private server... I just wrote some facts. If I ever find a good pandaria server and post it here, then you can accuse me for advertising..

I fail to see why advertising here is even necessary, since Reddit has an entire subcategory devoted to WoW private server discussions, without certain loyal Blizzard fans trying to regulate what gets talked about ... alot of pro / con discussions for servers, etc. It's largely the go-to place for such info - easily found via google for newbs as well, just sayin'.

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THIS kind of attitude is the reason most people don't take Legacy people seriously.
"What i play is the right WoW,the rest is just but a shadow of (Insert time of WoW)."
"Vanilla was the best everything else is just child game."

I wouln't mind people having their own server.But i know your kind,the Pokémon fanbase have people like you,we call then Genwunners,people that claim that only the first generation of Pokémon was the best and everything after that is garbage(Sounds familiar?)And guess what place they have in the Pokémon community?None,they do nothing but annoy people and spread toxicity just like you..."Veterans".

I liked the OP's comments, but I never played Pokemon. So, where do I fit in to your sterotypes and anecdotal & hypocritical analysis?

[stomination]

I fail to see why advertising here is even necessary, since Reddit has an entire subcategory devoted to WoW private server discussions, without certain loyal Blizzard fans trying to regulate what gets talked about ... alot of pro / con discussions for servers, etc. It's largely the go-to place for such info - easily found via google for newbs as well, just sayin'.

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I liked the OP's comments, but I never played Pokemon. So, where do I fit in to your sterotypes and anecdotal & hypocritical analysis?

Yet ur posting away here about how u want it back....just sayin'

Maybe you should go join those reddit discussions instead of trying to argue this websites rules with someone else.

[Vineri]

Yet ur posting away here about how u want it back....just sayin'

Maybe you should go join those reddit discussions instead of trying to argue this websites rules with someone else.

I know right, discussion here should be off limits. Heaven forbid, if anyone tries to discuss a topic against someones private motives. Shut em down by telling them to go elsewhere. Good job. /rolleyes

[wombinator04]

So uh...is this the best worst MMO-C thread of all time? I think it's a very good contender.

[RickJamesLich]

THIS kind of attitude is the reason most people don't take Legacy people seriously.
"What i play is the right WoW,the rest is just but a shadow of (Insert time of WoW)."
"Vanilla was the best everything else is just child game."

I wouln't mind people having their own server.But i know your kind,the Pokémon fanbase have people like you,we call then Genwunners,people that claim that only the first generation of Pokémon was the best and everything after that is garbage(Sounds familiar?)And guess what place they have in the Pokémon community?None,they do nothing but annoy people and spread toxicity just like you..."Veterans".

I played since launch, I know some think that people who played vanilla act elitist about it and stuff, it's not so much me saying "if you don't like vanilla you have poor taste" it's really more of that I find retail to be boring but I can understand why some people would enjoy it. On the flip side there are some people that no doubt would find vanilla boring, even if they actually played back then.

I can say though, that the Nostalrius server was truly amazing. The whole faction pride thing was back, you could find world pvp literally anywhere. Hell I've even seen groups of other players in the goddamn silithus tunnels lol.

Really though, there's different types of gamers, wow at one point catered towards one group, but in an effort to gain a wider base of players it kind of steered away from them. That's not to say it's been all bad, BC was cool, certain parts of wotlk, hell even the first tier of Cata wasn't that bad and overall MoP was a very good expansion (probably the best or tied with BC).

I won't say that you are somehow "less of a gamer" if you didn't try vanilla or nostalrius, but I will say it definitely stinks that we can't get the version of wow that we enjoyed.

[High Marshal Sigismund]

Why are people so enamored with vanilla?

The class design was atrocious. Pick something actually good like BC, at least.

[wombinator04]

Why are people so enamored with vanilla?

The class design was atrocious. Pick something actually good like BC, at least.

Agreed. Give me Wotlk/MoP legacy servers, could literally care less about anything else.......maybe Cata but I doubt my enjoyment of that would last all that long.

I could only make it to like level 30 something on Nostalrius before I got completely sick of vanilla.

[Eleccybubb]

Why are people so enamored with vanilla?

The class design was atrocious. Pick something actually good like BC, at least.

I'd say Wrath personally. Finally SV was a decent fucking spec. Not the best god no but playable at least.

[Vineri]

Agreed. Give me Wotlk/MoP legacy servers, could literally care less about anything else.......maybe Cata but I doubt my enjoyment of that would last all that long.

I could only make it to like level 30 something on Nostalrius before I got completely sick of vanilla.

There are private servers devoted to those XPacs, although they are not very popular, so don't go in expecting a high pop.

Perhaps there was something that has enamored players where Vanilla is concerned. Likely from those who played through them, my guess. BC is good, but just not as expansive as Vanilla with a lv 60 cap, with the majority of players in not-so-shiny gear, struggling to survive.

There are BC private servers as well, they do better than the later XPac's do, for what it's worth.

[Eleccybubb]

I don't agree. I think at the start, Blizzard never adopted the holy trinity. I think the holy trinity of roles is absolutely awful game design.

Well they kind of did with Tank, healer and dps. Guild Wars 2 has proven that no holy trinity isn't the best thing as well.

[wombinator04]

There are private servers devoted to those XPacs, although they are not very popular, so don't go in expecting a high pop.

Perhaps there was something that has enamored players where Vanilla is concerned. Likely from those who played through them, my guess. BC is good, but just not as expansive as Vanilla with a lv 60 cap, with the majority of players in not-so-shiny gear, struggling to survive.

There are BC private servers as well, they do better than the late XPac's do, for what it's worth.

I would only turn to private servers if there is not a word on legacy servers at Blizzcon.
Just can't stand how many of them are infested with cash shops and nonsense. The best thing about Nostalrius was the lack of a cash shop.

[Eleccybubb]

I would only turn to private servers if there is not a word on legacy servers at Blizzcon.
Just can't stand how many of them are infested with cash shops and nonsense. The best thing about Nostalrius was the lack of a cash shop.

Yeah a certain Wrath one I play on has it and it's disgusting. Can buy credits to buy gear and even characters.

[Vineri]

I don't agree. I think at the start, Blizzard never adopted the holy trinity. I think the holy trinity of roles is absolutely awful game design.

The holy trinity is what WoW was founded upon, as an upgrade of sorts from former EverQuest devs. It was a slow evolution from MUD's, I suppose, with regard to tanking. ... dps and healing date back to .. uhh D&D?

GW2 was a mess without the trinity. It's a game I tried for a month and left, never to spend a dime on or buy any further expansions. A shell of an RPG, if you will.

[Eleccybubb]

No. You had 8 classes per faction. And they all brought different tools to the table. Yes, some healed better and tanked worse. But, there was 8 roles in early vanilla. Now you have 3.

I don't understand why you think the only model of implementing no holy trinity is GW2.

Never said the only model was GW2 did I? I used it as it is a well known one.

[Vineri]

I would only turn to private servers if there is not a word on legacy servers at Blizzcon.
Just can't stand how many of them are infested with cash shops and nonsense. The best thing about Nostalrius was the lack of a cash shop.

The good ones don't have such nonsense. You've been reading too much on the internet, I think

[Laqweeta]

There are private servers devoted to those XPacs, although they are not very popular, so don't go in expecting a high pop.

Perhaps there was something that has enamored players where Vanilla is concerned. Likely from those who played through them, my guess. BC is good, but just not as expansive as Vanilla with a lv 60 cap, with the majority of players in not-so-shiny gear, struggling to survive.

There are BC private servers as well, they do better than the later XPac's do, for what it's worth.

This is simply not true.

There hasn't been much work on TBC Private Servers, and as such, are pretty horrible in comparison. There's just not enough info out there to properly script TBC. WotLK is arguably the most worked on emulator. I'd say about 95% of quests work without bugs (The other 5% have bugs but are doable) raids are scripted near perfectly, pathfinding is decent, achievements work like retail. Very few class bugs, hunter/warlock/DK pets work good, scale well etc.

[Laqweeta]

Again, don't assume that GW2 model is the only model for having no holy trinity. [Insert failed MMO here] failed and had the holy trinity. [Insert failed MMO here] failed and didn't have the holy trinity. Ok, i understand you don't like GW2. But, because it does not crucify the no holy trinity model, why is the no holy trinity model bad?

And no. Ever since Wrath of Fail, Blizzard has taken the holy trinity model in a much different direction. Every tank should be equal, every healer should be equal, and every dps should be equal. In other words, for pretty much any fight, i should be able to substitute a frost mage dps with a subtlety rogue dps. For obvious reasons, this model fails.

Now, in late vanilla, they were planting the seeds for this model. No longer are druids hybrids that can adapt to certain situations; they are now healers. Why? Because the community never saw it effective to play the way Blizzard intended it to be played.

I can somewhat agree with this, however Holy Paladins were by far a unique healer in Wrath (Got AoE heals and became another Resto Druid/Resto Shaman in Cata). Just like Disc Priests in Wrath, with their Shield healing and somewhat lack of effective AoE Healing.

I'll never quite understand why people target Wrath, I mean sure it effectively let people into raiding without hardcore attunements. And while it may have laid the stepping stones to make all healers/DPS near the same, it surely didn't do it as much as Cata did.

[Darktbs]

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This is simply not true.

There hasn't been much work on TBC Private Servers, and as such, are pretty horrible in comparison. There's just not enough info out there to properly script TBC. WotLK is arguably the most worked on emulator. I'd say about 95% of quests work without bugs (The other 5% have bugs but are doable) raids are scripted near perfectly, pathfinding is decent, achievements work like retail. Very few class bugs, hunter/warlock/DK pets work good, scale well etc.

Most of the time,private servers tend to have a Wotlk 3.3.5a private server along side a cataclysm one.But there a vast forms of customization(Like lvl 255,All Gm server,Funservers and more)in this servers and mostly are Wotlk,second i think is vanilla but honestly i never bother looking.