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If you are saying the snap polls from places like Drudge, Breitbart and other sites like that, then you would be wrong as they aren't scientific polls and can be spammed over and over to make it look like Trump won.Originally Posted by Renathras
Well, that was an...interesting...debate. I was trying to figure out who that lady was that was debating Trump. No, not Clinton, I know who she is. The other lady that was there debating Trump. I think she forgot she was a moderator or something.
CNN's poll had a tiny sample of about 500 and claimed Clinton won while most other snap polls I've seen claim Trump won. Though I think this is probably due to a placebo-like effect where people were expecting him to do so poorly that doing decently translates into a win. Perception effects being what they are.
The moderators acting like they were part of the debate aside (though after Trump called them on their time issues a few times they finally got around to calling Clinton out on going over time, too), the debate had a lot of mud and gutter, but there were a few actual issues snuck in there...
...with entirely unsatisfying results. For example, on Syria we got how hard Trump was going to hit them and that Clinton would continue doing what Obama has done yet expecting different results. That was pretty true on most of the policy questions, for that matter. And these "undecided" candidates mostly seemed fairly decided already.
That said, I liked the last question. I liked seeing them tink of something the other person has going well for them. That was kind of nice.
Trump probably "won" this debate, in the sense of stopping his campaign hemorrhaging, and he came out surprisingly strong and...factual?...on some issues. But for the most part it was a wash. Trump deflated the "Trump locker room talk" tape issue well enough and Clinton again seemed statesman enough, though much more on defense (oddly, as the night, like the race, was really hers to lose).
Maybe she's holding back the big guns until the third debate?
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And for the love of pickles, can we get Johnson in on the next debate? If we're going to have a circus, might as well go three ring on it.
As for "factual", still not even close. If he answered a question, he lied on that answer.
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Did you read her private opinions in those speeches? They're far more liberal and in line with Bernie Sanders than her actual public opinion. Believe it or not, those leaked speeches should be reassuring to Bernie supporters, that is, if they still feel trade, in general, can be a liberalizing force in the world. If they don't believe in addressing globalization in the only progressive way we know (IE, open trade with a trade prosecutor, which Hillary mentioned tonight), then they've really stopped being liberals. Globalization is here to stay, nothing Bill Clinton did or could have possibly not done in 1994 could have changed that. Our currency is global, our communication is global, and thus isolationism in trade cannot work because we have such low market share that tariffs mean domestic inflation for us and a minor annoyance for our trading partners, who will simply trade elsewhere. Originally Posted by Bumkin
BTW, I don't know the specific Lincoln thing she was talking about, but JFK talked about it too, in his book Profiles in Courage. That book is largely about how you have to balance representing the public, while representing yourself, while representing the common good, and how sometimes one has to trump the others. Hillary herself has talked about this in regards to her stance on gay marriage: privately, she didn't see any problem with it, but publicly her constituency was vaaaaaaastly against it....until they weren't.
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He didn't lie about Hillary Clinton being Secretary of State when the 'red line' was drawn, she lied about that. Go ahead, look it up on wikipedia. Originally Posted by Bumkin
Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
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It's a moderator shows his/her/zhe/xe's true left power level episode Originally Posted by eschatological
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When they got to this part, I turned to my family and said "Captain Crunch doesn't count..' x) Originally Posted by Waaldo
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You didn't have to post or read it. If you don't like it, leave. Originally Posted by Foosha
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...ed-line-217929 Originally Posted by Venant
Yes, Red line was drawn while she was there, red line was crossed when she wasn't there.
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Maybe i'll just infract you since you don't share my same beliefs. Oh wait... Originally Posted by Orbitus
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They're not a mod on this forum. You can check which mods are mods of this forum at the bottom of the gen-ot page. Originally Posted by Foosha
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This is an issue of phrasing. Obama drew the line when Clinton was in office, but she wasn't a year later when Syria crossed it. Originally Posted by Venant
Both sides can claim they were right.
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There are steps you can take if you feel unfairly treated, bitching about it on a forum thread is not one of them. Originally Posted by Foosha
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Then she/xe/ze/him should use a dif account, like Hillary. Oh wait.... Originally Posted by Ripster42
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Yeah, let's not suddenly derail this into moderator discussion. Contact a global if you really have an issue, don't go derailing threads about it.
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As Secretary of State, you would think she had some influence in making such a major policy position like announcing a 'red line'. Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking
Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
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Yes. And your point is? He was just as slimy. Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking
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And she'd have something to say about enforcing it, too. She was in office for the first but not the second. Again, both sides can claim they're right based on the way Trump phrased the question. Originally Posted by Venant
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Don't you think she had a hand in deciding on that major foreign policy decision, or do you think Obama is just some sort of maniac that didn't consult her before making that decision? Originally Posted by Breccia
Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
Before the camps, I regarded the existence of nationality as something that shouldn’t be noticed - nationality did not really exist, only humanity. But in the camps one learns: if you belong to a successful nation you are protected and you survive. If you are part of universal humanity - too bad for you -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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On the politifacts Trump statistics thing:
If they did get it wrong and you can't find it anymore, then that's actually an indicator that politifact has the integrity to remove bad fact checks.
Which is probably not what this whole hunt was intending to prove. Originally Posted by Zantos
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The point is, you are talking about the FOIA case which is a civil case and would have nothing to do with whether she deserves to be in jail. Originally Posted by Fargus
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On this whole 'politifact marking something false when it isn't', one I've been a bit picky about is this one in which it's unclear whether Trump is directly quoting James Comey or is adding his own opinion.
This seems like an opportunity for a bad joke. Hmmmmmmm. Originally Posted by Jester Joe
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