Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Lenonis]

You just can't be agreeable even with the simplest of things. Face it...Clinton should be winning by 50 points and isn't because she's such a shit candidate.

I'm getting really tired of seeing this line. The country is so polarized the Dems could put up a three week dead goat and it would get 40% of the votes. The GOP could put up zombie Hitler and get 40% of the votes.

There is no candidate on either side that would win by 20 points, much less 50.

And, once again, if your best offense is "well your side just isn't winning by enough so you suck" then you are not doing well.

[Elegiac]

None of his stances are as extreme as either Trumps or Pence.

*thumbs up* Doesn't change the (R) next to his name.

He did not want to ban gay marriage (he pretty much said that has been "resolved" by the court) and he was already shifting on abortion. So knowing that he was already less extreme on both issues during the GOP primaries and understanding that he would have to shift even more during the generel, yes, I think Hillary VS Kasich would be hard choices... on most topics they would be similar... both moderate republicans, one is just more likable and less shady.

The only difference is that Hillary pretends to be a liberal, and Kasich outright says he is a moderate republican.

Moderate Republicans are still Republicans. The integrity of their party is contingent on pleasing the extremists, ergo even if Kaisch himself is not a dickhead he will be forced to gravitate to policies that are.

[akris15]

*thumbs up* Doesn't change the (R) next to his name.



Moderate Republicans are still Republicans. The integrity of their party is contingent on pleasing the extremists, ergo even if Kaisch himself is not a dickhead he will be forced to gravitate to policies that are.

A great example of this in action is in Ohio Kasich passed a bill that banned all funding towards Planned Parenthood earlier this year to appease the extremist in his party.

[truckboattruck]

A great example of this in action is in Ohio Kasich passed a bill that banned all funding towards Planned Parenthood earlier this year to appease the extremist in his party.

considering that im about as alt right as it gets, I think i quality as far right.
I can tell you whole heartedly that an end to planned parenthood is not what i or anyone that i know wants.

kasich doesn't know which way the wind is blowing.

[Elegiac]

considering that im about as alt right as it gets, I think i quality as far right.
I can tell you whole heartedly that an end to planned parenthood is not what i or anyone that i know wants.

Then stop trying to fucking defund it, thanks.

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I think that he did not, is why he lost in the first place... which was pretty much the point I was making. Substantively, if left to their own devices, Kasich and Hillary are very similar.... policy wise.

If he moved to the right more, I would not have supported him (if he won the nomination).

Hardly. Even if they were similar, the Presidency does not exist in a vaccuum - the choice is more than obvious to people that aren't obsessed with political agnosticism for its own sake.

[truckboattruck]

Then stop trying to fucking defund it, thanks.

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I'm not
so stop pulling erroneous assumptions out of your ass please
the only person who really wants that is probably mike pence, and he wont get it

I'd love to get into this but frankly you'll just resort to personal attacks

[Elegiac]

Well, or people that care about corruption, or even the appearance of it. Hillary is not a good candidate, there were better ones that could have run that did not have the baggage she had. Also the whole "we already had a Clinton" thing...

'People who care about corruption' are shit out of luck because no candidate in the current electoral system is going to fit their bill.

Just because people have opinions doesn't make their opinions, you know, informed.

As for me, it is not about political agnosticism, I have stances I want to see go forward, and most of them are Liberal. But I do not see Hillary being able to do that, because she tends to be the status quo. I voted for Obama because I thought he would change things... but his choices... of the ACA, instead of a Public Option/Medicare for all, etc, has soured me on the status quo. They seem to lack vision.

So if it is two lackluster status quo politicians, and one is more likable, it is like picking chocolate or vanilla. They are both pretty much "safe". Kasich is no Bush, or Trump.

Are you seriously so dense as to think their political party has no bearing on their decision making process?

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I'm not
so stop pulling erroneous assumptions out of your ass please
the only person who really wants that is probably mike pence, and he wont get it

Which is why the GOP in Congress have tried to do exactly that this year.

[Breccia]

The Washington Post wrote up a good piece about why Mike Pence decided to stay. They gave three options:
1) He had nowhere to go anymore. If he loses, he has nothing left.
2) He might not be able to, due to early voting
3) He's 100% into Trump's plan and never really considered leaving after all.

Fair enough, but Preibus just came out to say he's still backing Trump too. And options 2 and 3 don't apply to him. So...this could be the end of the head of the RNC as we know it.

[Elegiac]

Bernie was pretty good on corruption actually, and saying he wanted to overturn Citizens United... something that Hillary took from him.

Ultimately that doesn't matter since overturning Citizens United is something that will have to be done by, you know, Congress.

There is a reason why a lot of Republicans like Hillary. She is a moderate republican. If we are talking about people, I do not see a big difference between her, and John Kasich. Both vanilla moderate republicans, the only difference is one is more likable. If you are talking about the Party Platforms, I agree there are huge differences...

Then it shouldn't be a 'hard choice'. Grow a spine.

[Breccia]

On number 2. I think he didn't want to hurt his future with the party by making him deal with that mess. The third option is total crap as evidenced by them being on opposite ends of the spectrum when they talk to the press about their platform. The first option makes some sense as well.

That appears to be the Post's evaluation as well.

[Breccia]

Also, here's the Priebus piece.

"Nothing has changed in regard with our relationship. We are in full coordination with the Trump campaign. We have a great relationship with them. And we are going to continue to work together to make sure he wins in November."

[Endus]

'People who care about corruption' are shit out of luck because no candidate in the current electoral system is going to fit their bill.

I'm not even sure what people mean by the label any more. That they express too much focus on the interests of the wealthy and corporations? That's not "corruption", that's a business-oriented focus. I disagree with it, ideologically, but it's not "corruption". The stuff the DNC did during the primaries? Also not "corruption"; just a private entity (the DNC) who wanted its leader to be a long-time member, not an outsider who was only running under their ticket to get more backing. Totally within their rights and not at all a problem. Bribes? There's no evidence of any, or any pay-for-play, or whatever.

Corruption exists, but I'm not sure people actually know what it looks like any more. People tend to use it for "doesn't do exactly what I want them to and nothing more".

[DeadmanWalking]

Donny is down 11 points in the polls, being down 6 points on labor day, a month ago, would be considered a no win situation, this is far later and much deeper of a pit he has to climb out of.

[Elegiac]

I'm not even sure what people mean by the label any more. That they express too much focus on the interests of the wealthy and corporations? That's not "corruption", that's a business-oriented focus. I disagree with it, ideologically, but it's not "corruption". The stuff the DNC did during the primaries? Also not "corruption"; just a private entity (the DNC) who wanted its leader to be a long-time member, not an outsider who was only running under their ticket to get more backing. Totally within their rights and not at all a problem. Bribes? There's no evidence of any, or any pay-for-play, or whatever.

Corruption exists, but I'm not sure people actually know what it looks like any more.

It's just a buzzword, much like 'socialist', 'insider', or what have you.

I used to be considerably more pro-democracy before I came to the United States, which is the truly sad thing.

[DeadmanWalking]

I'm not even sure what people mean by the label any more. That they express too much focus on the interests of the wealthy and corporations? That's not "corruption", that's a business-oriented focus. I disagree with it, ideologically, but it's not "corruption". The stuff the DNC did during the primaries? Also not "corruption"; just a private entity (the DNC) who wanted its leader to be a long-time member, not an outsider who was only running under their ticket to get more backing. Totally within their rights and not at all a problem. Bribes? There's no evidence of any, or any pay-for-play, or whatever.

Corruption exists, but I'm not sure people actually know what it looks like any more. People tend to use it for "doesn't do exactly what I want them to and nothing more".

Let's not forget that the worst the emails ever reached was spitballing bad ideals that were shot down by the chair, and the chair was Wasserman-schultz. It played really well for republicans to keep pulling it up for Bernie supporters to get off the Democrat train.

[jakeic]

I wonder where Trump gets his seemingly infinite amount of breathtakingly stupid, blonde live commentators, who are willing to make a joke out of themselves, from.

the media constantly compares and contrasts hillary supporters vs trump supporters like they some how have equal footing on reality. The blond one was given ample time to spout off non-sense, then the host turns to the other woman and asks her to respond, like there is some sort of response besides this woman boarders on lunacy.

but then again, "hillary clinton believes whites need to have more humility with regards to blacks."

[DeadmanWalking]

the media constantly compares and contrasts hillary supporters vs trump supporters like they some how have equal footing on reality. The blond one was given ample time to spout off non-sense, then the host turns to the other woman and asks her to respond, like there is some sort of response besides this woman boarders on lunacy.

but then again, "hillary clinton believes whites need to have more humility with regards to blacks."

With the exception of Kelly Anne who does the spin doctor dance for the money and power, these people actually believe every word of what they say. Humans typically look for any information that confirms their ideals and opinions while disregarding anything that doesn't fit their bias. Humans are fascinating when it comes to politics, it brings out the worst even in voters.

[Eviscero]

I wonder where Trump gets his seemingly infinite amount of breathtakingly stupid, blonde live commentators, who are willing to make a joke out of themselves, from.

The Hillary supporter is giving SO MUCH face! I was cracking up.

[cubby]

Donny is down 11 points in the polls, being down 6 points on labor day, a month ago, would be considered a no win situation, this is far later and much deeper of a pit he has to climb out of.

I'm reaching a little here, but I've always been a little concerned with Trump and his polling - especially in the Primaries where he won a few outright when he had been polling way behind.

[Deleted]

Can someone explain to me why all across the globe Trump is seen as a clown and only Americans seem to see him as a serious candidate for presidency? Im really curious as why everyone sees a lunatic and a liar, and republicans go "YEAH THATS OUR GUY!"... the fa?