Chicago police officer severely beaten said she was afraid to use her gun

[tehealadin]

What exactly are the rules here? It is so hard to keep track.

She was a woman, getting the shit kicked out of her by a guy. Ordinarily, the people defending her attacker would be all over that shit (and rightly so).

When she puts on a uniform, she stops being a woman and becomes a cop....and it is ok?

Identity politics can be so messed up, and inconsistent from a rational point of view.

[TwoNineMarine]

Then it's a case of lack of training how to tackle a situation with a perp high on pcp.

Just no.

Why even comment when you know nothing about it? Lol. Being an arm chair commentator does nothing and helps nothing.

No on account of you'll probably be unconscious but when she started to tangle with this guy I wouldn't have really questioned much if he ended up dead. Personally I don't think one can make that decision in the heat of the moment of "Oh but what will BLM think?" when your life is in danger so I feel like she was just trying to handle it in a non lethal way and it got out of hand before she could really react with the proper force necessary.

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Haven't read anything about that but that's a damn shame if true. She was able to give statements though so if it is brain damage it must be effecting her motor skills and not her cognitive abilities, at least. Silver lining and all

Yeah she can at least talk which is excellent. I'll have to dive into it more when I get time.

[Deleted]

What exactly are the rules here? It is so hard to keep track.

I imagine the rules are a) don't randomly execute harmless black people and b) defend yourself if attacked.

It isn't that fucking difficult to understand. The fact that people are trying to stop policemen shooting harmless black people does not interfere with your right to self-defense as is being implied to any one with intelligence superior to a tangerine.

Also, if you can't make tough judgement calls-don't join the police. It goes with the job and always has done.

[TwoNineMarine]

That's my point though, that sometimes it fails doesn't mean it shouldn't ever be used. And lots of people look at the suspect and go "Well damn look how big he is! A taser probably wouldn't work on him!" when pain tolerance is not necessarily related to your body mass.

Just as PCP and other drugs may help in the resisting of a taser but being high on PCP does not give you high pain tolerance 100% of the time.

And all of that is true.

But more often then not PCP and other drugs do give a tolerance to the various non lethal methods police try and employ.

That's not to say they shouldn't try those first if possible certainly.

But people (IE Poly) stating drugs don't have any influence whatsoever is ridiculous and deserves to be laughed at.

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I imagine the rules are a) don't randomly execute harmless black people and b) defend yourself if attacked.

It isn't that fucking difficult to understand. The fact that people are trying to stop policemen shooting harmless black people does not interfere with your right to self-defense as is being implied to any one with intelligence superior to a tangerine.

Also, if you can't make tough judgement calls-don't join the police. It goes with the job and always has done.

Being unarmed =/= harmless.

IE look at the female cop here. She got her ass beat (with possible brain damage) even though the guy was "harmless".

The only case I can think of in recent history where a guy was "executed" by police was that guy that got shot in the back by the cop as he was running away. And in that case I agree 100% that that cop is a piece of shit and fuck him.

All these other ones the guys were either fighting the cops, resisting, or had weapons. Generally a combination of all 3.

[ButterBeast]

do you understand the effects of pcp on the human body if not maybe you should shut your mouth

I'd love to hear you argue how it makes you stronger than 3 people. Maybe you should get the fuck out if you're just going to shitpost?

[Deleted]

All these other ones the guys were either fighting the cops, resisting, or had weapons. Generally a combination of all 3.

We must have been looking at different video footage.

There is something wrong with your police. You know how many black people have been killed in the UK recently? Zero. You know how many police have been killed or even attacked recently? Zero. When BLM came here they were basically laughed out of the country by left and right alike because everyone knows we have nothing like the problems of the US. That's not because our police are amazing or anything, that's fairly typical of most european countries. Your system badly needs reform.

[zhero]

I'd love to hear you argue how it makes you stronger than 3 people. Maybe you should get the fuck out if you're just going to shitpost?

he doesn't need to explain why or how drugs can make you resistant to non-lethal weapons, he doesn't need to, there are plenty of videos showing that drugged up people can walk around barely affected by things like tasers.

[Polyxo]

he doesn't need to explain why or how drugs can make you resistant to non-lethal weapons, he doesn't need to, there are plenty of videos showing that drugged up people can walk around barely affected by things like tasers.

This is incorrect. Drugs do not cause tasers to fail. No drug affects the electroconductivity of the body, that's just laughable. What you have is a failure of a taser to deploy, or the electricity taking an ineffective arc through the body, and the presence or absence of drugs has no influence. In those videos, you would see the exact same thing happen to a totally clean person.

[ButterBeast]

he doesn't need to explain why or how drugs can make you resistant to non-lethal weapons, he doesn't need to, there are plenty of videos showing that drugged up people can walk around barely affected by things like tasers.

uhm...... yeah just going to let yourself read this again.

[Fasc]

For the intelligence impaired:

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...aser-failures/
Myriads of reasons are given such as the prongs failing to fully connect, but several other pieces of evidence are presented that show that simple contact on a person does not inhibit each person the same way as the next.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22688605
As way of introduction: simple obesity has a non-negligible impact on pain/pressure sensitivity. Pain is a direct consequence of being tasered along with motor function impairment due to the spasms/involuntary contractions. The point being that a variety of factors affect the quantitative nerve response to stimuli, so tasers supposedly impacting all people the same is a farce at its face.

http://scienceline.org/2007/08/ask-sergo-tasers/
Now let's look at how the taser actually works according to its own manufacturer, by specifically emitting frequencies typically seen in our own nervous system and their connections with our muscles. In ordinary individuals, this will typically result in uncontrollable spasms of the muscle from sensory overload... but I wonder if it is possible at all to have electrical impulses that are abnormal? Or if diet or foreign agents like any variety of drugs can adjust this as well? HRRMMMMMMMM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11371750
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordj...l.sbn176.short

Or more generically known as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurom...nction_disease

Notice one commonality in people with diseases/dysfunction: an increased or decreased (or outright absence of) sensitivity to dopamine reception. What commonly abused drug ALSO affects dopamine...?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12232776

HOLY CRAP ITS PCP

Best part is the above article talks about how PCP is commonly used to INDUCE schizophrenia symptoms for study and schizophrenic individuals specifically have impulse impairment that results in the behavior we know and love as schizophrenia. Yeaaaa.... bout dat...

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No magic armor, just plain ol' not everyone's neurotransmitters fire the same way and that's especially true when age, diet, activity level, disease, and drug use (abuse) are considered. If a taser relies upon a normal range of electrical impulses, there will be those that simply fall outside of that range and will be only partially incapacitated, if at all.

[Polyxo]

For the intelligence impaired:

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...aser-failures/
Myriads of reasons are given such as the prongs failing to fully connect, but several other pieces of evidence are presented that show that simple contact on a person does not inhibit each person the same way as the next.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22688605
As way of introduction: simple obesity has a non-negligible impact on pain/pressure sensitivity. Pain is a direct consequence of being tasered along with motor function impairment due to the spasms/involuntary contractions. The point being that a variety of factors affect the quantitative nerve response to stimuli, so tasers supposedly impacting all people the same is a farce at its face.

http://scienceline.org/2007/08/ask-sergo-tasers/
Now let's look at how the taser actually works according to its own manufacturer, by specifically emitting frequencies typically seen in our own nervous system and their connections with our muscles. In ordinary individuals, this will typically result in uncontrollable spasms of the muscle from sensory overload... but I wonder if it is possible at all to have electrical impulses that are abnormal? Or if diet or foreign agents like any variety of drugs can adjust this as well? HRRMMMMMMMM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11371750
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordj...l.sbn176.short

Or more generically known as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurom...nction_disease

Notice one commonality in people with diseases/dysfunction: an increased or decreased (or outright absence of) sensitivity to dopamine reception. What commonly abused drug ALSO affects dopamine...?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12232776

HOLY CRAP ITS PCP

Best part is the above article talks about how PCP is commonly used to INDUCE schizophrenia symptoms for study and schizophrenic individuals specifically have impulse impairment that results in the behavior we know and love as schizophrenia. Yeaaaa.... bout dat...

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No magic armor, just plain ol' not everyone's neurotransmitters fire the same way and that's especially true when age, diet, activity level, disease, and drug use (abuse) are considered. If a taser relies upon a normal range of electrical impulses, there will be those that simply fall outside of that range and will be only partially incapacitated, if at all.

You're apparently not scientifically literate enough to discuss this, as per the links you posted.

[Sunseeker]

You're apparently not scientifically literate enough to discuss this, as per the links you posted.

Ah, yes a resoundingly structured argument! Never before has "NUH UH!" been uttered with such eloquence.

[the game]

Ah, yes a resoundingly structured argument! Never before has "NUH UH!" been uttered with such eloquence.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He basically stuck his fingers in his ears and said he can't hear you.,

[Sunseeker]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. He basically stuck his fingers in his ears and said he can't hear you.,

It's pretty sad. He's been given scientific data, video evidence, first-hand accounts, etc... He's wrong. I'm quite certain he actually knows he's wrong, and at this point he's really just running around screaming LALALALALALALALALALAAA!!!!

[Bathory]

Sounds like she has bad judgement. Maybe she shouldn't be a cop.

[prwraith]

You're apparently not scientifically literate enough to discuss this, as per the links you posted.

Yea-Huh\

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[Sunseeker]

Sounds like she has bad judgement. Maybe she shouldn't be a cop.

Frankly, she has excellent judgement. A couple more cops take a couple hits without resorting to shooting criminals and the anti-cop movements currently growing will absolutely crumble. Cops ought to take a page from the criminals on this one: when the heat is on, lay low.

[Bathory]

Frankly, she has excellent judgement. A couple more cops take a couple hits without resorting to shooting criminals and the anti-cop movements currently growing will absolutely crumble. Cops ought to take a page from the criminals on this one: when the heat is on, lay low.

If she wanted to be a martyr, then yeah, sure.

[Sunseeker]

If she wanted to be a martyr, then yeah, sure.

A little bit of martyrdom goes a long way, also: keeping dead black men off the front pages does pretty damn well too.

[Gref]

back to kitchen I guess. *shots fired*

I am sure she has lots of fancy pictures of her dressed in nice police uniform. Those jobs are all nice and fancy until shit hits the fan. No, but seriously, this is why you have physical standards and you don't lower them for a bunch of moron feminists' reactions over internet. Police baton are standard issues. (is it not? if not why u do this murica?) one hit from that baton and its ko.

That thickness, that hardness while having a soft grip... that efficiency... mmmmmm... nothing beats a nice hit to the stomach from sideways. Then you simply use handcuffs. %100 works. Still you shouldn't be a "thin, tender, soft, fragile". Standards people standards.