Mother and daughter face incest charges after marriage in Oklahoma

[Elim Garak]

There needs to be an incest law because any children resulting from marriage will be damaged.

In this case there is no possibility of that so I see no reason for the state to get involved. As with gay sex, the fact that people go "yeuch" about something does not make it criminal. Hell, our former prime minister had sex with a pig and set a fine liberal example to us all.

There should be a law that prohibits marriage of people who get their noses in other peoples business because any children resulting from that marriage will damage the humanity.

[Cyberowl]

Still a better love-story than Twilight.

[Ghâzh]

So I'm the only one who gets turned on by some good old mother-daughter action?

[Deleted]

There should be a law that prohibits marriage of people who get their noses in other peoples business because any children resulting from that marriage will damage the humanity.

It isn't a bigoted position, it is a biological fact. In-breeding is not a good thing, it greatly increases the chance of deformities, diseases and infant mortality.

[Seranthor]

There needs to be an incest law because any children resulting from marriage will be damaged.

In this case there is no possibility of that so I see no reason for the state to get involved. As with gay sex, the fact that people go "yeuch" about something does not make it criminal. Hell, our former prime minister had sex with a pig and set a fine liberal example to us all.

You say 'will be' damaged, you probably should say 'may be'. That said, What right do we have to infringe on what consenting adults do in their bedrooms? I thought we didn't WANT the government in people's bedrooms. Are you now saying its okay because you said so?

[Elim Garak]

It isn't a bigoted position, it is a biological fact. In-breeding is not a good thing, it greatly increases the chance of deformities, diseases and infant mortality.

It's not a fact. It's a possibility. Non-incest parents can have WORSE biological facts born.

And this possibility only increases with inbreeding. I.e. incest after incest after incest.

[Seranthor]

It isn't a bigoted position, it is a biological fact. In-breeding is not a good thing, it greatly increases the chance of deformities, diseases and infant mortality.

Yea, it is a bigoted position, because you are absolutely intolerant of the love they have for each other and want to infringe on their right to marry who they love.

[Deleted]

Yea, it is a bigoted position, because you are absolutely intolerant of the love they have for each other and want to infringe on their right to marry who they love.

They can marry who they like. They just shouldn't have children.

Liberty doesn't extend to damaging other people.

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Should there be a law that known carriers of certain genetic disorders (e.g. cystic fibrosis), cannot marry?

Yes. I made the difficult decision not to have children because for, various reasons, I can't guarantee their happiness. It was a very tough decision. I have no sympathy for people who are so selfish they place their own paternal or maternal urges over that of a child. Many, many people are making the same decision across Europe because of the ongoing economic problems.

Your children are not some thing you are entitled to. There's enough children born into poverty, sickness and misery.

[stabetha]

Incest laws aren't just about birth defects, they are the inherent power a parent has over their children.

[Vargur]

You can't make up shit like this.

[Deleted]

It's not a fact. It's a possibility. Non-incest parents can have WORSE biological facts born.

And this possibility only increases with inbreeding. I.e. incest after incest after incest.

You don't seem to know what a fact is. A probability of an event can be a fact.

[Fudge]

What other better arguments do you have? I'm genuinely interested as I haven't heard any myself.

Then we need to prevent all women who smoke, drink, or do drugs from having children as well, since statistically doing any 3 of those have higher incidences of birth defects..

Also, let's go ahead and sterilize all people with any other defects that can be passed down too.

[Varitok]

What other better arguments do you have? I'm genuinely interested as I haven't heard any myself.

There really isn't any, its just people going "I think its gross what people do privately so stop doing it". People seem to love sexual freedom but on their own terms. I don't like it myself but its none of my business what people do.

[Deleted]

Incest laws aren't just about birth defects, they are the inherent power a parent has over their children.

Yeah, it would be very difficult or impossible to prosecute a Father for raping his daughter if incest is legalized.

[Rhinopotamus]

This is the slippery slope we were talking about you far-left half-wits!

Edit: This, and the whole Trans-racial / trans-age thing. My god, this has gone way to far.

[Deleted]

Then we need to prevent all women who smoke, drink, or do drugs from having children as well, since statistically doing any 3 of those have higher incidences of birth defects..

I'd support criminal sanction agaist businesses who sell those things to pregnant women, and I doubt many would disagree.

In any case minor statistical effects don't compare with a 40-50% chance of major birth defects or death. You have to be completely ignorant of probability theory to find those things comparable.

[Elim Garak]

You don't seem to know what a fact is. A probability of an event can be a fact.

But damage to incest children is not a fact it's a probability. Probability becomes a fact only after the fact. Get it?

[Deleted]

There really isn't any, its just people going "I think its gross what people do privately so stop doing it". People seem to love sexual freedom but on their own terms. I don't like it myself but its none of my business what people do.

See above. Producing children who develop extreme extreme abnormalities, are severely mentally impaired, or simply die is an act of extreme cruelty.

[Fojos]

It isn't a bigoted position, it is a biological fact. In-breeding is not a good thing, it greatly increases the chance of deformities, diseases and infant mortality.

So we shouldn't let people with genetic conditions breed either. There are many situations where you have a much higher probability of serious issues than incest.

[Deleted]

So we shouldn't let people with genetic conditions breed either.

The intellectual rigour of people who can't read six posts up the same thread is always impressive.