Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[Kyanion]

So basically change one of the core ideas of AV that kept people in there for ever? That was what made AV fun to a lot of players because it felt like a long battle. And if you want to make specs viable that would also require removing resistances on some of the bosses so a fire mage would be able to dps Ragnaros. Can't say anyone would hire you at Blizzard to run their legacy servers personally.

I can only guess that is because of Nost? I know AV on the final patch before TBC was just an afk farm fest as people tried to grind out honor for the pvp weapons heading into TBC. In early Vanilla when AV is released there were some amazing battles that took place there on my server. The one I remember the most is one that took over 2 days to complete. I did AV most of the day, went to sleep and woke back up and joined the same AV. That was crazy. Not that it would likely happen again in whatever type of Legacy that was to come out but it seems like they want some sort of Nost version since it was on the final patch, that would likely eliminate those types of games from ever happening.

[Sturmbringe]

Well it's been a month into Legion and I'm close to taking a break from it. I find it rather odd I have more fun killing gnolls and defias on a level 8 character, together with 2 partied up strangers, on a 10 year old game full of bugs and inequalities, than playing the current version. At this point I'd just reaaaaallly like to have official legacy servers and have my fun there.

It is a 12 year old game. Tw-elve.

Ofc I never bought Legion nor played. I knew it was not worth it.

However, there's many people who feel the same as you.

[Eleccybubb]

It is a 12 year old game. Tw-elve.

Ofc I never bought Legion nor played. I knew it was not worth it.

However, there's many people who feel the same as you.

Actually there is a small handful of people. Myself included. Legion is not a bad game it just doesn't pique my interest. It's like Runescape awesome game for what it is but I've never been interested in committing to it.

[Kyanion]

I'm just tired of seeing people saying "yeah I want vanilla but I also want pet battles, LFR, LFD, Ammo removed, Pet happiness gone and so on". I don't mean just on this forum either I've been in other discussions where I've seen people spout stupid shit like that. Ok fine make 2 vanilla servers. One with all that shit and one without and see which one gains the most steam.

It is just the tip of the iceberg in potential problems if Legacy was to be announced. I mean what would be the correct route to make the most money if this was something Blizzard wanted to do. Everything I hear of Nost makes it sound less like the Vanilla I played long ago so it makes me wonder what type of 'Vanilla' legacy realms would be.

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It is a 12 year old game. Tw-elve.

Ofc I never bought Legion nor played. I knew it was not worth it.

However, there's many people who feel the same as you.

I mean that is one of the differences between some of the people bashing versions of the game. Some of us (like me) have played every version of the game in retail and some of the posters have not played past WotLK or the only 'Vanilla' experience they got was from Nost and never played it ~12 years ago.

And on the flip side some of the Nost people have played all versions of the game but it does feel like most of the Nost people haven't played WoD or Legion. It strikes me as funny that you can be so against retail that you haven't even tried Legion. It does have some issues but it does have some great things like mythic+ dungeons which give a challenge in dungeons again which was a big thing missing from WoD and MoP.

[delus]

So if they released a server with the game in original release state, will people be happy? Onyxia and Molten core will be the only raids. No updates ever. No new raids ever. No balancing ever. Just a pristine representation of World of Warcraft as it was released in a preserved state.

[Eleccybubb]

So if they released a server with the game in original release state, will people be happy? Onyxia and Molten core will be the only raids. No updates ever. No new raids ever. No balancing ever. Just a pristine representation of World of Warcraft as it was released in a preserved state.

Uhm no. People want a progressive server had you bothered to read the thread or what Nost was about. So eventually BWL would come out then ZG, then AQ and then Naxx. Why the hell would Blizzard release a legacy server with just Molten Core and Onyxia when the whole thread is about a progressive Vanilla server similar to Nostalrius? Nobody would be happy with just Molten Core and Onyxia forever because that isn't what people want. They want a progression server.

[delus]

Because a classic server and a progressive server are two different things. Blizzard has expressed interest in a preserved copy of the original game for archival purposes.

[Eleccybubb]

Because a classic server and a progressive server are two different things. Blizzard has expressed interest in a preserved copy of the original game for archival purposes.

Yep but if they had any sense and listened for once they would realise people want a progression vanilla server similar to Nostalrius.

[Sturmbringe]

I mean that is one of the differences between some of the people bashing versions of the game. Some of us (like me) have played every version of the game in retail and some of the posters have not played past WotLK or the only 'Vanilla' experience they got was from Nost and never played it ~12 years ago.

And on the flip side some of the Nost people have played all versions of the game but it does feel like most of the Nost people haven't played WoD or Legion. It strikes me as funny that you can be so against retail that you haven't even tried Legion. It does have some issues but it does have some great things like mythic+ dungeons which give a challenge in dungeons again which was a big thing missing from WoD and MoP.

WoW died with Arthas. Personally, I played both Cata, and WoD for a few months before I quit and Kung Fu Pandas for a little longer. After the fail that was WoD, I knew Blizzard could never produce Warcraft again. They've lost it, and that's because they are different people from the original Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK big-win team.

So, I knew buying legion would be a waste of money.

I was subscribed to Vanilla, TBC and WOTLK almost continuously since December, 2005.

[Eleccybubb]

WoW died with Arthas. Personally, I played both Cata, and WoD for a few months before I quit and Kung Fu Pandas for a little longer. After the fail that was WoD, I knew Blizzard could never produce Warcraft again. They've lost it, and that's because they are different people from the original Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK big-win team.

So, I knew buying legion would be a waste of money.

I was subscribed to Vanilla, TBC and WOTLK almost continuously since December, 2005.

Good for you. That is like your opinion man as the Dude says.

[Kyanion]

WoW died with Arthas. Personally, I played both Cata, and WoD for a few months before I quit and Kung Fu Pandas for a little longer. After the fail that was WoD, I knew Blizzard could never produce Warcraft again. They've lost it, and that's because they are different people from the original Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK big-win team.

So, I knew buying legion would be a waste of money.

I was subscribed to Vanilla, TBC and WOTLK almost continuously since December, 2005.

K I can play this too.

I 'know' Legacy would be a waste of money. They could never recreate that same magic, people changed over the ~12 years.

I've been subscribed to Vanilla all the way through Legion since Nov 2004.

See how pointless it is to make a statement like that?

[Eleccybubb]

K I can play this too.

I 'know' Legacy would be a waste of money. They could never recreate that same magic, people changed over the ~12 years.

I've been subscribed to Vanilla all the way through Legion since Nov 2004.

See how pointless it is to make a statement like that?

Don't bother dude. Few pages back he made snide remarks along the lines of Vanilla players are somehow better than Retail.

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Υes, it was. I played Vanilla, did both organized PvP and Raiding, and I still play Vanilla to this day together with my wife.

People in my guild on the Vanilla server I play, are all about my age (30's-40's) and all Vanilla veterans. There is a big difference between people who play Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK in private servers and the people who play retail. The latter are mostly children and teenagers.

This is no surprise, as Retail "WoW" has been purposefully designed from Cataclysm onwards to cater to children and teenagers. Pokemon, Kung Fu Pandas, hundreds of different mounts a la" My Little Pony", game mechanics getting simplified to the extreme, blanket removal of any kind of challenge during levelling and dungeons, class homogenization, game world being trivialized, professions made extremely easy etc.

Veteran WoW players in my age group don't consider Retail WoW worthy of their attention as it is far too easy and too socialist to be worth it. There is no sense of achievement in Retail any more. Everyone has everything. Such a world might appeal to children but it is far too different from real world to appeal to people in my age group.

Here we go. Not even worth your time arguing/debating with someone like that imo. I'm still all for legacy but when people make snide remarks like that is just petty. Thought we were done with that way back at the start of the thread.

[Kyanion]

Don't bother dude. Few pages back he made snide remarks along the lines of Vanilla players are somehow better than Retail.

Which strikes me as funny because he claims he didn't start playing til Dec 2005 so he missed a nice chunk of early Vanilla. Hell I'm more of a Vanilla player than he is because I played from Nov 2004.

But you are right, I won't bother any further with them.

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Here we go. Not even worth your time arguing/debating with someone like that imo. I'm still all for legacy but when people make snide remarks like that is just petty. Thought we were done with that way back at the start of the thread.

Oh geez you are right he is the one that made that 'age group' comment.

[Shridevi]

Not a damn thing! Vanilla is exciting, dangerous, and unpredictable. I remember as a noob seeing Stitches kited to Goldshire and getting stomped by him. It was awesome!

It's really difficult to explain it to the anti-legacy folks without making it a tl;dr. When you hit level 5 on Nostalrius and a mob at your level solos you then the respect for the world/environment, the need for other players, and the problem-solving mindset really start to sink in. Vanilla isn't too hard, it's that you need to actually think and group with other people instead of solo aoeing 5 mobs at once. Adapting to an unforgiving world is much more fun and creative than having most things handed to you IMO.

[Kyanion]

It's really difficult to explain it to the anti-legacy folks without making it a tl;dr. When you hit level 5 on Nostalrius and a mob at your level solos you then the respect for the world/environment, the need for other players, and the problem-solving mindset really start to sink in. Vanilla isn't too hard, it's that you need to actually think and group with other people instead of solo aoeing 5 mobs at once. Adapting to an unforgiving world is much more fun and creative than having most things handed to you IMO.

A quick adjustment from going to Aoeing 5 packs to doing 1 or 2 mobs at a time isn't that hard to get used to. It isn't "unforgiving" and other buzzwords people toss out. You can run from fights the same in Vanilla as people do in Legion. There are CC tools in Vanilla just like in Legion. Sorry if you think that people in Legion are idiots and would be incapable of adapting to this 'unforgiving' world in Vanilla.

I'd even go as far to say leveling in Vanilla would be even easier because I don't have to worry about mobs breaking out abilities I need to interrupt or stun them from using. Most things in Vanilla were autoattackers with a spellcaster tossed in here and there. There are little surprises when fighting 1 or 2 mobs, just more down time of healing between groups and leveling going glacially slow. So unforgiving, much zzz.

[Shridevi]

A quick adjustment from going to Aoeing 5 packs to doing 1 or 2 mobs at a time isn't that hard to get used to. It isn't "unforgiving" and other buzzwords people toss out. You can run from fights the same in Vanilla as people do in Legion. There are CC tools in Vanilla just like in Legion. Sorry if you think that people in Legion are idiots and would be incapable of adapting to this 'unforgiving' world in Vanilla.

I'd even go as far to say leveling in Vanilla would be even easier because I don't have to worry about mobs breaking out abilities I need to interrupt or stun them from using. Most things in Vanilla were autoattackers with a spellcaster tossed in here and there. There are little surprises when fighting 1 or 2 mobs, just more down time of healing between groups and leveling going glacially slow. So unforgiving, much zzz.

I don't think that people who play Legion are idiots. Legion pvp is more advanced than vanilla for sure. Again, it is just too much to talk about without a tl;dr. Anyone who has played vanilla recently, and I forgot about this until I did, will tell you that mobs have extremely annoying healing and CC spells, unpredictable resistances, curses that last 2-10 minutes, and when a second mob accidentally pulls it is a huge deal. Leveling is slow but it is more enjoyable IMO, even with horrible ganking.

[Eleccybubb]

Compare your description of a vanilla server, to Galax's description of what he wants. You want things. He lists those things. You cannot be worked with. Galax can be.



Vanilla existed from 2004 - 2006. In what ways are you still enjoying it after all these years? The memories of playing WoW from 2004 - 2006? Now, if you want to Nost is a vanilla server, can i say that Burning Crusade was a vanilla server? Could you go to Molten Core? Yes. Was there flying in Azeroth? No. Could Stitches come up and just destroy you while leveling? Yes. Sounds to me like a vanilla server!



I'm not saying that. I am saying that you don't have any idea on what you want. You keep on saying that you don't want flying and other things. What they hell does other things even mean?

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Thank you. What you have suggested is meaningful. What you have suggested is something Blizzard can work off of. If only more people who want a legacy server could use their brains in ways you have.

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I disagree. What he is suggesting to Blizzard is to make a living game. Nostalrius was such a failure in so many ways (hugely distorts people's views of vanilla, restricts the same creativity that brought us vanilla WoW, sets a hard lifespan on their game, to name a few).

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They want a progressive, vanilla server? Do they also want vanilla ice cream that tastes like chocolate? Actually, i wouldn't be surprised if they do. Nost-lovers are not smart.

Then it's a good thing the final decision is up to Blizzard. And if they are reading about the legacy debate they will more than likely do a progression server if they even do legacy servers which tbh I doubt they will for some time. Will keep interest going until the end.

[Eleccybubb]

Why? Content dies the day it is released on these progressive servers. And it sets a lifespan on their server. Why would they want to emulate a Nost-clone?

Because Nost managed to keep popularity. Looking at what they did would be a good idea.

[RickJamesLich]

I'll ask you the same thing. What changes to vanilla are you ok with? What changes do you want?

What changes do I want? None really. I'd be ok with a few, but it's not really interesting to go into fine detail. Absolutely no shops or leveling services though.

[Eleccybubb]

What changes do I want? None really. I'd be ok with a few, but it's not really interesting to go into fine detail. Absolutely no shops or leveling services though.

Agreed fuck cash shops and instant 60 boosts.