Boris criticises Russia but won't stop the selling of arms to a Saudi Government who is using said arms to destroy Yemen. The people in charge of our country have been the horrible knobs for decades now.
Boris criticises Russia but won't stop the selling of arms to a Saudi Government who is using said arms to destroy Yemen. The people in charge of our country have been the horrible knobs for decades now.
There's video's clearly showing the police shooting weapons at the protestors, it's fine that you prefere to dismiss reality and jump into your little bubble of conspiracies, about civilian protestors shooting at themselves to make the cops look bad.
And I gotta admit, I have no idea what a video of protestors beeing shot in the back would proof anyhow, is it possible that the police by some magical means, mangaded to get behind the protestors, I know it sounds unreal and would completely defeat your wonderland conspiracy, but just imagine.
Damn, I hadn't seen that before, if you pause it at 0:59 you can see the bullet could only have come from behind because of it's trajectory, if it came from the front it would have been fired from under the ground.
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Saudi need a strong supply of weapons to replace the ones they give to extremists in Syria.
We both know what your original argument, and the argument used by your own parliament was. It's bad enough that you refuse to see your own contradiction, but you insisted that I wasn't following the discussion when it's clear you're weren't even aware of things you said on the same day in the same thread. Tell yourself whatever you need to If it helps you sleep at night. I think it's sad you'd rather play games than have a proper discussion.
Lol, it uses logic alright. The question is if the logic it uses is valid. It clearly is not.It's practically the polar opposite of a non-sequitur, a non-sequitur is "a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement", whataboutism is the opposite, it uses logic to highlight a double standard and hypocrisy.
Re-read what I said and explain to me how my words imply that it isn't a common form argument on other subjects. We're talking about something separate from Syria and your using misdirection tactics. Come on, dude.Actually it's one of the most commonly used form of argument on pretty much any subject.
It shows police firing at someone. It doesn't show that they are firing at UNARMED civilians. If "civilians" are armed and pose a threat to the cops - they can shot at them. Lol, in USA cops shoot people even if they don't have arms, but pose a threat to a policemen. Here you got a mad crowd rushing at you with some of them armed and shooting at you.
buildings behind them were controlled by maidanites for a few days already. While it is still hypothetically possible, that some policemen got there - the are no proofs of this. Like absolutely. So, it is still unproved that policemen killed UNARMED civilians.And I gotta admit, I have no idea what a video of protestors beeing shot in the back would proof anyhow, is it possible that the police by some magical means, mangaded to get behind the protestors, I know it sounds unreal and would completely defeat your wonderland conspiracy, but just imagine.
That would be because you walked into a thread after a few days of absence and replied to the last post with a bunch of irrelevance because you didn't know what was being discussed.
Indeed and ofc it is, the reason it works so well is because in essence it uses childrens level logic. Either the argument it is used against is valid in which case the whataboutism is easily defeated, or the initial argument is flawed in which case it is impossible to properly defend.
Two examples:
"you can't have an ice cream"
"You let her have an ice cream so I should have one too!"
"she got one because she tidied her room, you didn't!"
Result: Argument defeated.
"you're using cluster bombs! that's wrong!"
"but you used white phosphorus last week!"
"er, yeah, but, you're just using whataboutism!"
Result: Unable to defeat argument so cry about it.
Generally when somebody cries about whataboutism it's because they are falling victim to one of the most common forms of argument and cannot think of a way to counter it.
It's the Russian strategy of "theres no gopro video on a bullit beeing shot by the riot police hitting an unarmed protestor from the front, so the protestors were shooting themselves!" Absolute denial, it's sad and amusing to watch.
I'll follow the same thought, and deny the west is arming anyone in Syria, neither were it the west who bombed the syria soldiers, it was the russians, anyone saying otherwise can link a video of an american showing his passport, before he hands over weapons to Syrians, and a video showing western jets firing at the syrian army, gl.
It doesn't really have anything to do with nationality I don't think. There are thousands of Americans/Europeans who believe that man has never left the planets atmosphere and that 9/11 was conducted by lizardmen using mind control (or something like that, I'm really interested in conspiracy theories).
These guys were shot from behind. There is still no proof that police shot them. Hell, there is even a BBC report about them, though in the end they try to spin in like these were Russian snipers. Had a good laugh at the moment when they interview one of the maidan organizers - Svoboda neonazi Parubiy, who is currently a Speaker in Ukranian Parliament, for a "proof".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg
In fact, its showing. Even Western propaganda machine can't deny that policemen and protesters were shot by a third party. The only they can now do is to finger-point at Russia, by interviewing maidan nazi organizers and a shadowy silhouettes.
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Replying with "well you did x" doesn't disprove your opponents argument, nor does it mean what they say has no merit. They very well could be a hypocrite, but even a hypocrite can be right at times.
For example, let's say I misspell a word and you point it out to me in your next response; would I win the argument if I replied that you misspelled a word a few posts ago? That doesn't change the fact that I misspelled a word, or prove that we shouldn't value spelling words correctly.
Whataboutism is an evasion tactic that completely ignores a person's point and proves fuckall.
What armed people? Show me a video of the protestors shooting first.
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Pretty far fetched there.
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Geesh you've gone all in on the Russia propaganda havent you, cry all you want, what happened is obvious to everyone else.