Three very rich guys talk about Trump, taxes, and the 'vilified' 1%

[Theinquisition]

Yes that, and forcing banks to give subprime loans via CRA Ratings.

Indeed, people like to cite deregulation (glass-stegal) but forget about the subprime loans

[Elegiac]

Yes that, and forcing banks to give subprime loans via CRA Ratings.

There was no 'forcing' involved. The CRA ratings were set as such because the banks lobbied for it to be so.

[petej0]

There was no 'forcing' involved. The CRA ratings were set as such because the banks lobbied for it to be so.

Yet, government responded...so again, governments fault.

[Symmone]

They are both at fault.

The rich lobby to get laws passed in their favor.

[Daelak]

Indeed, people like to cite deregulation (glass-stegal) but forget about the subprime loans

What about sub-prime loans?

[Machismo]

Giving implicit agreement to pay for a service rendered is not 'debt'. Right.

There was no implicit agreemwnt, there was a guy with a gun.

[Templar 331]

There was no implicit agreemwnt, there was a guy with a gun.

So a guy with a gun told you to pay your taxes or he was going to shot you?

Right...........

So why did Wesley Snipes go on trial for his tax evasion when there was a guy running around with a gun threatening to kill people who don't pay?

[Machismo]

So a guy with a gun told you to pay your taxes or he was going to shot you?

Right...........

So why did Wesley Snipes go on trial for his tax evasion when there was a guy running around with a gun threatening to kill people who don't pay?

What happens if you don't pay?

At some point, they will try to take the money from you. If you refuse, that's when the man with the gun comes into play. At the end of every law, is a man with a gun to enforce that law. That's all government is, force.

[anyaka21]

Trump and Hillary are just two sides of a really bad coin.

nah, they are 2 completely different coins but fully soiled and soaked in shit stains.

[Templar 331]

What happens if you don't pay?

You have heard of garnishing wages right? It happens.

At some point, they will try to take the money from you. If you refuse, that's when the man with the gun comes into play. At the end of every law, is a man with a gun to enforce that law.

I want to know where you've gotten this twisted perception of reality from. I'm willing to bet Alex Jones.

That's all government is, force.

Even this "voluntary government" you were chiming on about earlier?


Just a little anecdote, I worked with a guy who didn't pay income taxes for decades. The IRS found him and told him that he owed a large amount of money. Can't remember exactly how much it was but it was well over $20K. They didn't come for him. No one with a gun showed up and threatened his life. He still had a job up until he developed cancer.

So unless you have some proof of your little fantasy happening you're just spouting nonsense.

[waitwutt]

why does it matter?

if they paid 90% tax that will all just go to other countries. giving them money kuz sympathy votes

[Machismo]

You have heard of garnishing wages right? It happens.





I want to know where you've gotten this twisted perception of reality from. I'm willing to bet Alex Jones.





Even this "voluntary government" you were chiming on about earlier?


Just a little anecdote, I worked with a guy who didn't pay income taxes for decades. The IRS found him and told him that he owed a large amount of money. Can't remember exactly how much it was but it was well over $20K. They didn't come for him. No one with a gun showed up and threatened his life. He still had a job up until he developed cancer.

So unless you have some proof of your little fantasy happening you're just spouting nonsense.

What happens if you refuse to allow your wages to be garnished? Once again, at some point, a man with a gun is there to enforce the law.

Yes, even a voluntary government is force. However, it's a force you willfully agree to be under, and can opt out of if you choose.

[Rennadrel]

I wonder if they think people are that stupid to believe their bullshit. Charitable donations come with tax reimbursements, especially when it is straight up cash that we are talking about. If you donate 10 million dollars, the odds are that the government is going to reimburse a significant portion of it as a tax write off. "Ooo look guys, we gave 100 million to the Republican party, look how charitable we are!"

[Deleted]

When the rich stop acting like actually having to pay taxes is a punishment, you can then get up on your high horse. Until then, your opinion is laughable.

It's actually funny cause the "rich" are on top anyway, opinions don't really matter. Oh and no, you can't tax the top 0.1% (give or take) for one very simple reason. Whether the system is socialist or capitalist, the people in power are the ones who want it the most, the ones with ambition. The only difference is that in socialism, they just lie to you more and the average person has less with less options and no way of getting to the very top unless they have connections or is related to one of them.

[Canpinter]

What happens if you refuse to allow your wages to be garnished? Once again, at some point, a man with a gun is there to enforce the law.

Yes, even a voluntary government is force. However, it's a force you willfully agree to be under, and can opt out of if you choose.

a voluntary government wont work because everyone has to follow the rules or they don't work, you cant half 1/2 of the population allowed to murder eatchother because they opted out of the government and 1/2 not allowed to.

[Templar 331]

What happens if you refuse to allow your wages to be garnished? Once again, at some point, a man with a gun is there to enforce the law.

Do you even know how that works? It's not up to you it's up to your employer to pay the debt.

Yes, even a voluntary government is force. However, it's a force you willfully agree to be under, and can opt out of if you choose.

No one is stopping you from leaving this country, assuming you live in the U.S. You are choosing to stay and in so doing agree to the laws and benefits of this country. It's voluntary. What you can't do is stay and NOT follow the laws. While you are here and while you retain citizenship you are under obligation to the laws of this country.

[Machismo]

a voluntary government wont work because everyone has to follow the rules or they don't work, you cant half 1/2 of the population allowed to murder eatchother because they opted out of the government and 1/2 not allowed to.

Why not, if people want to live in lawlessness, and only impact those who choose to do the same, then it doesn't matter.

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Do you even know how that works? It's not up to you it's up to your employer to pay the debt.





No one is stopping you from leaving this country, assuming you live in the U.S. You are choosing to stay and in so doing agree to the laws and benefits of this country. It's voluntary. What you can't do is stay and NOT follow the laws. While you are here and while you retain citizenship you are under obligation to the laws of this country.

And how do they force the employer to pay that debt? What if the employer refuses? Once again, at the end of the day, it's a guy with a gun.

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Do you even know how that works? It's not up to you it's up to your employer to pay the debt.





No one is stopping you from leaving this country, assuming you live in the U.S. You are choosing to stay and in so doing agree to the laws and benefits of this country. It's voluntary. What you can't do is stay and NOT follow the laws. While you are here and while you retain citizenship you are under obligation to the laws of this country.

Why should I have to leave?

[Canpinter]

Why not, if people want to live in lawlessness, and only impact those who choose to do the same, then it doesn't matter.

because that lawlessness will inevitably spill over onto the civilized group not to mention the number of people who will suffer that didn't chose to live in the lawless section of your nation like children.

[Machismo]

because that lawlessness will inevitably spill over onto the civilized group not to mention the number of people who will suffer that didn't chose to live in the lawless section of your nation like children.

If it spills over, then you would deal with it like any external threat.

[PizzaSHARK]

It is if you go out of your way to hit them especially hard with taxes. Like those assholes out there who seriously think that we should confiscate 90% of everything rich people make. There's taxation, and then there's just plain being punitive.

The more money someone has, the higher their share of taxes should be. That's how the laws work already, as far as I'm aware, but they don't account for numerous loopholes.

My only real issue with this, were the loopholes fixed, is that our government both state and federal, has consistently shown itself to be fucking terrible at properly using those tax dollars. Tax money should go towards the welfare of the people, but very little of it makes it there. And I'm not talking about actual welfare programs like TANF etc, I mean everything that goes into making sure ALL of your people live healthy lives with as close to equal chances for happiness and success as everyone else. Education is a major element of this; healthcare would be another.