The UN has decided that Jews have no connection to Jerusalem

[Azgraal]

While this is an extremely ridiculous act by the UN, anything that sticks it to that damned state is a good thing.

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They have just decided that the Crusaders got it right and Jerusalem belongs to Europe after all. Well done, get your swords lads, we're taking it back!

Long live the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the HRE!

[Alydael]

Well, hey, if the UN said it - it must be true!

The UN has been around for under 100 years and the Jewish faith has been around for only a few thousand (or maybe even more).

Personally, I think the UN should move to Sweden, to be truly "neutral." NYC is not really a "neutral" location. When they leave, they should make sure they pay NYC all the back rent they owe, because we all know how honorable and reputable the UN is and honest and reputable people always pay their bills...

[nextormento]

Yes, like i said ?

No, it's exactly not like you said.
The provision is not about letting others in. That is how it is today: everyone can enter.
It's about returning to the status quo ante: have Arabs exclusive control over the site.

[Deleted]

No, it's exactly not like you said.
The provision is not about letting others in. That is how it is today: everyone can enter.
It's about returning to the status quo ante: have Arabs exclusive control over the site.

"strongly condemns the Israeli escalating aggressions and illegal measures against the Waqf Department and its personnel, and against the freedom of worship and Muslims’ access to their Holy Site Al-Aqsa Mosque/Al-Haram Al Sharif, and requests Israel, the Occupying Power, to respect the historic Status Quo and to immediately stop these measures."

The status quo means that arabs will have access to the site like they've had for ages. But since terror deeds they've not had that option.
Hence its about them getting what they had before the terrorist attacks that Hamas conducted.

I wouldnt let them in either but that's not what the article is about.

[AtomicSpoon]

The people not dying of smallpox would say otherwise.

It's a useful forum for international discussion, so it's not actually worthless.

Fair point, I meant they are useless in actually enforcing anything. There is a reason people say "What the UN will do write an angrily worded letter?" As a joke.

[Deleted]

Here's the actual resolution;
It's not arguing that Jews have "no connection", it's just recognizing that Christians and Muslims also have the same connection.

So this thread is officially a religion thread.... and it's still not closed....

Moderation logic...

[nextormento]

The status quo means that arabs will have access to the site like they've had for ages. But since terror deeds they've not had that option.
Hence its about them getting what they had before the terrorist attacks that Hamas conducted.

They had a couple issues during Ramadan last year and access was restricted -such terror deeds-. Other than that, Muslims can enter, and do enter and pray anytime they please: it's Jews and Christians the ones on a very limited schedule to visit as tourists.

The historic status quo is what they had prior to September 2000 (as the provision specifically mentions).
September 2000, you know, when Sharon had the gall to visit the site, and hours later a 5 year conflict was started by Palestinians.
They want to go back to before that visit: to Arab *exclusivity* over the site.

Israel may be full of shit, and they are the occupying power. But they're not the ones preventing others from entering the holy site: Jordan was, and they want to go back to a Muslim exclusive Temple Mount.

[dextersmith]

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Things are about to get real!

[Deleted]

Basically while I have no love for the Palestinians. Israel has pretty damn dirty hands.

Would your hands remain clean for long if you had neighbours like Palestinians?

[Theodarzna]

I love that the UN believes firmly it can rewrite history.

[Kellhound]

It is partly muslim. Don't know what you're on about. They have a historical connection to the site your personal opinion about the religion of destruction does not matter in this case. that's the point unesco is making nothing else, its not the official UN its a body of it.

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Yes, like i said ?

What Im on about is the site has been sacred to Jews far longer and with far more significance that it has for the Muslims, but you could not tell from the wording.

[ravenmoon]

United Nations UNESCO body has passed a resolution put forth by the Palestinians denying all connection between Jews and Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. PM Netanyahu: To say that Israel has no connection to the Temple Mount and Western Wall is like saying China has no connection to the Great Wall."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...866113,00.html

If someone needed a proof that the UN sometimes just love to ignore the facts and bash Israel.

You mean the U.N. finally feels enough people hate jews worldwide to actually buy this crap and accept it? Some lame as attempt to step up this witch hunt certain U.N individuals are pouring their everything into. OH Jerusalem will be such a bitter cup for them.

This is the same U.N that passes more resolutions against Israel, a free and non-oppressive state than it tdoes all those warlord, and warmongering and terrorist nations around.

Furthermore, it sits down takes and invents it's own version of jewish/biblical writings, which it uses as the basis of this silly ridiculous resolution that will not change the outcome.

Someone is trying very hard to push this nonsense, is failing, and will continue to.

[Xargoth6634]

And if anyone gave a shit what the UN thought, Israeli Jews might have something to worry about.

[Estherna]

First of all, UNESCO is not UN. It's an organization that is integrated in the UN system, but which field of compentencies is the preservation of culture and human achievements.

Second, the question of the links between the Jews and Jerusalem is complex, and the formulation of that kind of resolution can be tricky. It is not to say that the Jews don't have any connection with the city, but that their isn't superior to the other people/religions that see Jerusalem as an Holy City. Meaning that they can't destroy Muslims monuments and holy places as they wish.

Finally, the ties between the current Israelis and the land of Israel is a difficult question. There is a lot of clues that indicates that most of the current Israelis (and Jews around the world) don't have ancestors there. There were around 400 - 1100 AC a Kingdom, the Khazars, in Caucasia. This theory is controversial, but most of the Azkhenazes Jews could come from this kingdom and not from Palestinia.

To conclude, I wish to point out that the UNESCO is leaded by a general assembly and that, contrary to the UN and the Security Council, the big nations can't block a decision with a veto. As it is one country, one voice, one shouldn't be surprised that some decisions aren't the ones that seems intelligent in a Western perspective.

[Majestic12]

Misleading title. That's not what they say at all. They just state that these sites are important to Muslims and Christians too, which is true.

It is sad that you are trying to spark outrage over a 100% justified decision by posting a fake title.

[Slant]

Misleading title. That's not what they say at all. They just state that these sites are important to Muslims and Christians too, which is true.

It is sad that you are trying to spark outrage over a 100% justified decision by posting a fake title.

Lol, yeah that sounds entirely different. And everyone on this planet actually knows that fact. Glad the UN caught up on it, with an official resolution no less! Like anyone gives a crap about them these days... "Hey, look at us! We're important, too!" Haha

[Ehrenpanzer]

The people not dying of smallpox would say otherwise.

It's a useful forum for international discussion, so it's not actually worthless.

We could make a chatroom for world leaders for a Quadrillionth of the cost

[Flarelaine]

This resolution is about as serious as the one declaring Donald Trump a revolting slug. Not quite as much, though.

[psyquest]

why the hell dont they make that city a UN managed international city, create two independant states and keep diplomatic channels open to deal with the radicals on both sides....

[Tommi]

Isn't the UN some kinda comedy group? I always thought that's what they were.