More Legendary complications incoming in 7.1

[Deleted]

This does not make sense, quest is in 7.1 but you need nighthold bosses drops? I would like to see your sources.

Of course it makes sense. The quest will be added in 7.1, along with Nighthold. When 7.1 releases, Nighthold will not immediately unlock. But when it does unlock, there won't be a major patch to patch in the quest. Nighthold is part of 7.1.

[Lochton]

HOW DARE blizzard give us a way to keep our legendaries up to date! Why did we even bother?

meanwhile in reverse world.

Wtf man blizzard, you make legendaries so hard to get and now they're useless so soon. Why did we even bother?

That moment where you basically summed up the OP's post.

[SirCowdog]

all taken from link below, it's very important stuff so I copy it here

http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17613722206

To make it concise and keep to the facts:

- you can upgrade (one? two? many?) legendaries in 7.1
- this comes as a quest - non-repeatable...
- you need to collect 50 Essence of Whatever from Nighthold bosses, so yeah, it'll be quite the grind I assume

And now we reach our complication: if you have a good legendary - you are safe. You know you have to upgrade it, and you'll be done. If you don't have any legendaries, or have a bad one, you will be put in a very bad situation:

- no legendary, nothing to upgrade, /cry alone in a corner and be behind the "lucky" dudes and those that profited from bugs, simple eh?
- bad legendary - you either upgrade your !@#$ legendary (for example the stupid shield neck), and after your weeks/months long effort... good legendary might drop and you cannot upgrade it (most probable case, seeing as the quest is one time only), or you need to do again the 50 Essence of Crap thing - if we're "lucky" and the quest can be repeated.
- you don't upgrade the bad legendary and keep the quest reward item that allows ONE legendary to be upgraded, and still hope for RNG to give it to you. This, however, has its own set of disadvantages, as you basically pass on a 925 item with inflated stats.

Meanwhile, lucky dude with BiS legendaries will just upgrade their best and have nothing to fear, further extending the gap between lucky/non lucky.

For how long must we suffer the pure dumbness and atrocity of this RNG system that has NOTHING to do in WoW?

"Features" like this just make me glad I let my sub expire.

[Deleted]

This does not make sense, quest is in 7.1 but you need nighthold bosses drops? I would like to see your sources.

Wouldn't be the 1st quest which tells us to wait till the raid opens it's doors so we can continue the progress...

"Features" like this just make me glad I let my sub expire.

Responses like that make us all say: "Good riddance".

[Hinalover]

You do realize they can have a vender sell extras right? They did that in MoP where you picked a primary cloak but then you could purchase the other cloaks from a vender for a cost. They could easily do the same thing where you get your first free from the quest but any further ones you purchase from a vender. I don't see an issue here.

[RobertMugabe]

All that depends on how frequently legendaries will drop in the next months... I somewhat think that Blizz expects most people to have 1-2 legendaries in the next couple months (maybe the drop rates will eventually sky rocket) and the real grind will be getting the perfect ones. If that is true I don't think that this will be a big issue

[slime]

I was one of the dopes that was excited for legendaries before Legion was launched.
I had no idea casual guilds would start benching people without them.
I believed that the BAD LUCK protection was going to be for people who did not get a legendary - not for people waiting for a second or third.

Farming 1% mounts for years.... how could I have been so stupid to think this would be a good idea. Then again I'm just a person, not a company with hundreds of employees that could've noticed this fucked awful terrible design for progression and gearing.

Now I'm left just thinking.. Fuck you Blizzard.

[goblingirl]

LOL. There's nothing left to do but laugh my ass off at this whole "Legendary" scheme.

Today I finished the final Order Advancement research in my Class Hall. I can now equip two Legendary items.

Except, I don't have any legendaries. Despite playing every day, doing my emissary quests every day, doing heroics, mythics and raids etc. I've run the goddamn maze like a good little rat and pushed the lever over and over and fecking over again, and my interest in continuing to do so is quickly waning.

And now, they're giving me a quest chain to upgrade the legendary items that I don't have.

Honest to god, WTF are they thinking?

[Hibiki]

This expansion is already most alt unfriendly, with this changes it will be alt nightmare.

[kaelleria]

My char situation is worst : I have 2 legenday "slots" and 0 legendaries drops.
Yesterday I researched "Legends of the wild" in class hall allowing me use two legendary items.

I have around 15 days /played at 110 lvl, so I play A LOT.
1129 world quest done.
All currently available legion factions at exalted.
Every weak Emerald Nightmare cleared on LFR, Normal and 5/7 heroic.
Several dozens Mythic and Mythic+ dungeons done.
Every day, not single pause emissary quest done.
Nearly 27 lvl artifact weapon lvl.

I'm exhausted and depressed. Don't feel all me effort is worth playing this game.
I will not extend my subscription any more after it expires in next month.
RNG literally kills my will to play WoW.

I meet other hunter in LFR who got 2 BiS legendaries and have very similar ilvl, spec and stats. His dps was around 40-70% better then mine, so that is how huge is impact of those items. He is less focus starving, shorter cd in rotations, so he got so huge gain. This is so demotivating I cant force myself to play this game more.

I just got my first legendary yesterday. I have similar amounts of playtime, etc... Keep at it and you'll get one eventually.

As for the other hunter doing 40%-70% more DPS... that's totally a L2P issue. Legendaries don't account for that much of a dps swing. A good legendary accounts for like maybe 5% of your dps...

[Lochton]

This expansion is already most alt unfriendly, with this changes it will be alt nightmare.

Hmm, only thing I can see unfriendly with alts, is time. Too much to do, and I love it. Else, leveling is easy.

[Sansnom]

If you have a good legendary, upgrade it.
If you have a bad legendary, wait till you have one of the other.
If you don't have a legendary, wait till you have the right one.

What is the actual complication in this? Unless you are a questing completionist, and you don't have any legendary, and that quest is what you are missing to do. Else, there is not really a complication at all in this..

The disadvantage is more your competitive spirit, wanting a legendary with the same stats as someone elses.

I think the problem is that people with the good legendary will be on the upgrade path. People who do not have the good or no legendary will not be. This would further increase the performance difference between players. Someone mentioned this can between 40% to 70% which is a huge difference if that is indeed the case. I do not know.

I have not read the page so I do not know if people who do not have a legendary can acquire the upgrade materials.

If a quest needs to be completed before acquiring the mats for the upgrade, then the player needs to make a decision to either upgrade a bad one or wait. People with no legendary will need to wait to acquire one, then complete the quest to open the ability to acquire the upgrade mat.

If that is the design, then it is a poor one since it will cause a massive gap between players with upgraded legendary and those that do not.

In a competitive setting such as raid slots, this puts certain players in a distinct advantage that would just further widen as the raid tier progress.

[pmkaboo]

My char situation is worst : I have 2 legenday "slots" and 0 legendaries drops.
Yesterday I researched "Legends of the wild" in class hall allowing me use two legendary items.

I have around 15 days /played at 110 lvl, so I play A LOT.
1129 world quest done.
All currently available legion factions at exalted.
Every weak Emerald Nightmare cleared on LFR, Normal and 5/7 heroic.
Several dozens Mythic and Mythic+ dungeons done.
Every day, not single pause emissary quest done.
Nearly 27 lvl artifact weapon lvl.

I'm exhausted and depressed. Don't feel all me effort is worth playing this game.
I will not extend my subscription any more after it expires in next month.
RNG literally kills my will to play WoW.

I meet other hunter in LFR who got 2 BiS legendaries and have very similar ilvl, spec and stats. His dps was around 40-70% better then mine, so that is how huge is impact of those items. He is less focus starving, shorter cd in rotations, so he got so huge gain. This is so demotivating I cant force myself to play this game more.

well you cant really complain about not getting legendaries when you spent most of the 15 days (360 hours => more than 2 full time jobs) on WQs...

[Deleted]

A good legendary accounts for like maybe 5% of your dps...

My current legendaries as an Arms Warrior:
- Aggramar's Stride: increases movement speed by 75% of your haste (DPS warriors don't have base haste and I only have 15%, so do the math)
- Naj'entus's Vertebrae: If Whirlwind hits 3 or more enemies, it hits them 1 additional time (Seeing as arms aoe sucks outside of bladestorm, this is literally my savior in Mythic+, but still one of the worst)

Actual good legendaries as an Arms Warrior:
- Ayala's Stone Heart: any attack has a chance to make your next Execute cost no rage and be useable regardless of the target's health (so basically a free fucking Execute that can be procced by anything u do)
- Archavon's Heavy Hand: Mortal Strike refunds 15 rage (Mortal Strike costs 16 rage, so people with this legendary can basically prevent themselves from rage starving caused by MS any time they use it, seeing as they only spend 1 rage so it's basically free)

Believe me, it matters...

[Ichifails]

This expansion is already most alt unfriendly, with this changes it will be alt nightmare.

I made an alt over the weekend and I was able to join Mythic+ pushes and Mythic raid progress/farm. Maaaaybe it's that some people suck like they always did and it has nothing to do with the game.

[Deleted]

Just save the damn upgrade item until you get your "holy grail" legendary, its not rocket science.

[kumarshah]

This is fun when you have zero legendaries

[Ealyssa]

I have 2 shit legendaries, but if the quest is indeed non-repeatable it'll be the worst thing ever.

The upgrade will obviously be obtainable more than once.

The most realistic way is that a vendor will sell it once the quest is completed. Blizzard want us to wear more than one legendary. Let's not forget that. Would make no sense to only be able to upgrade one.

[caervek]

For how long must we suffer the pure dumbness and atrocity of this RNG system that has NOTHING to do in WoW?

Lets just hope it's gone in 8.0

[Phookah]

My current legendaries as an Arms Warrior:
- Aggramar's Stride: increases movement speed by 75% of your haste (DPS warriors don't have base haste and I only have 15%, so do the math)
- Naj'entus's Vertebrae: If Whirlwind hits 3 or more enemies, it hits them 1 additional time (Seeing as arms aoe sucks outside of bladestorm, this is literally my savior in Mythic+, but still one of the worst)

Actual good legendaries as an Arms Warrior:
- Ayala's Stone Heart: any attack has a chance to make your next Execute cost no rage and be useable regardless of the target's health (so basically a free fucking Execute that can be procced by anything u do)
- Archavon's Heavy Hand: Mortal Strike refunds 15 rage (Mortal Strike costs 16 rage, so people with this legendary can basically prevent themselves from rage starving caused by MS any time they use it, seeing as they only spend 1 rage so it's basically free)

Believe me, it matters...

You can believe what you want, but legendaries have been mathed out to only be a few percent dps increase on average. They don't account for some giant amount like people think they do.