Gamergate - OP updated 27 October

[NED funded]

No it's odd, and creepy of people like you to have such big issues with what other entertainment people consume.

Perhaps you can fill me in. What's the purpose of watching an anime with the sole purpose of fanservice? I ask this because this reminds the situation of twitch cam girls, in which people spend their money on having a girl do something mildly erotic, when they might as well watch porn or go to other websites where they can have actual strippers. To me it's just pathetic.

[Orange Joe]

All thats bolded.

Read the second part of my reply. I didn't miss it at all.

[Misjudged Maaanwell]

Read the second part of my reply. I didn't miss it at all.

But Crunchyroll isn't a hentai site. To my knowledge.. ALTHOUGH, if they were that be a nice tongue-an-cheek website name.

[Orange Joe]

But Crunchyroll isn't a hentai site. To my knowledge.. ALTHOUGH, if they were that be a nice tongue-an-cheek website name.

Ecchi isn't hentai. Just because You think it is doesn't make it so.

[NED funded]

Eh, it's a different type of schtick. At least for me, I don't enjoy the fanservice for its erotic nature. It's there, there's no denying that, but for the fanservice stuff I watch it's presented in a more comedic than "hardcore" erotic way. It's the hilarity of the entire premise of Strike Witches (an anime about magical highschool girls that fly around with propellers on their legs in an alternate World War 2...and none of them wear pants, only underwear. It has an entire episode dedicated to the girls stealing each others underwear, even.), or a series like Senran Kagura where the fanservice is always presented with a lighthearted tone rather than one aimed at serious arousal.

If I wanted to get aroused, there's tons of actual porn for that. But sometimes I just want to sit down and laugh at an over the top fanservice action anime like Kill La Kill and have a laugh at the comedy/fanservice while enjoying the action. If someone doesn't like fanservice bullshit, that's totes fine, I fully admit most fanservice animu is pretty bad. I'll enjoy the shit outta it, and those that don't can watch something else : )

I guess...... well at least you enjoy due to how absurd some situations are.

[Orange Joe]

I guess...... well at least you enjoy due to how absurd some situations are.

Even if someone enjoyed it for it being sexualized. So what?

[Misjudged Maaanwell]

Ecchi isn't hentai. Just because You think it is doesn't make it so.

an stripping isn't the same as prostitution. But again, its a time an place..

[Edge-]

I guess...... well at least you enjoy due to how absurd some situations are.

Totally, for most of the folks I know that enjoy fanservice that's why. But if they actually enjoyed it for its erotic nature, so what? It would be far from the first time eroticism has been the central hook for niche or even mainstream entertainment over the years (hello Wild Things!), and it most assuredly won't be the last.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be criticized or anything, because even I'll routinely be critical of elements of the fanservice anime I watch (including the fanservice itself at times). But the pushback in gaming (and anime) comes from the notion from some of the more recent criticisms that rests on the "moral" critique of it, often times trying to connect these products as harmful. The issue is that there's scant evidence to support these "morality" based arguments, and often times most of the available research actively disproves the allegations of the "moral" critics.

It's not really much different than the whole "violent media (games, television, movies, music) makes you violent!" arguments which have been pretty thoroughly debunked over the decades.

[Orange Joe]

an stripping isn't the same as prostitution. But again, its a time an place..

And crunchyroll is a place for ecchi so what is your point?

[NED funded]

Totally, for most of the folks I know that enjoy fanservice that's why. But if they actually enjoyed it for its erotic nature, so what?

Eroticism in movies != ecchi. Eroticism in movies most of the time delivers a message, ecchi doesn't. Either way if you are watching something to see cute girls exposing sexy stuff then just watch some hentai. It reminds me of the situation with Twitch cam girls, in which they do something midly erotic for money, where peopel are better served flat out watching porn or visting sites in which there are actual strippers.

[Strangebrew]

I'm just going by the premise of the anime. And from what I've read it literally states that they fight using their boobs and asses while wearing swim suits, unless you and I have different perceptions of ecci or I am missing some brilliant satire, this reeks of fanservice anime. Much like Kanokon.

So you read a synopsis and decided to judge an entire show out from that?
Amazing, you're a textbook example.

I used to be an avid fan of anime, and while there was this type of anime from I can't recall a lot of it like it is nowadays.

if you used to be an avid fan of anime you would know the amount ratio between ecchi/fanservice and serious anime is the same as it always have been, but you clearly don't so.

This seems like an odd opinion to have. Forms of art deserved to be criticised on their flaws.

It stopped being criticism when you people started creating an atmosphere that calls for the ban of entertainment like it.
We already have several japanese developers no longer willing to release games in the west thanks to people like you.
"hey, we are totally not trying to ban media over our shitty political ideology and personal feelings, we will just harass and shame you into submission through social media and journalism if you do release something we don't like!"

Speaking of.


Yeah.

Perhaps you can fill me in. What's the purpose of watching an anime with the sole purpose of fanservice? I ask this because this reminds the situation of twitch cam girls, in which people spend their money on having a girl do something mildly erotic, when they might as well watch porn or go to other websites where they can have actual strippers. To me it's just pathetic.

What is the purpose of any kind of entertainment?
I'm sorry, are you the fucking entertainment and enjoyment police?

You do not get to decide what other people enjoy, get that through your fucking head.

[NED funded]

So you read a synopsis and decided to judge an entire show out from that?
Amazing, you're a textbook example.

Well, the purpose of the sinopsis is for the consumer to have a vague idea of what the show is about.There are some exceptions which is why I asked if I'm missing some brilliant satire.

It stopped being criticism when you people started creating an atmosphere that calls for the ban of entertainment like it.
We already have several japanese developers no longer willing to release games in the west thanks to people like you.
"hey, we are totally not trying to ban media over our shitty political ideology and personal feelings, we will just harass and shame you into submission through social media and journalism if you do release something we don't like!"

[Citation needed]

What is the purpose of any kind of entertainment?
I'm sorry, are you the fucking entertainment and enjoyment police?

You do not get to decide what other people enjoy, get that through your fucking head.

The purpose of comedy is to get you to laugh.
The purpose of horror stories is to spook its audience
The purpose of ecchi is: __________????

[sarahtasher]

So once again, it's freedom of speech, but that does not include mocking an anime

I was not aware of that rules, that it was verbotten to call an anime trashy. That must be why, for instance, Digital Homicide will win against STEAM.

FTR, that blog article says that this show royally sucks. They don't call for it to ''banned''. But once again, ''fradom of spush'' only cover sending death threats on Twitter-saying that a game or anime is bad is off limits.

[mickybrighteyes]

an stripping isn't the same as prostitution. But again, its a time an place..

It's not going to be made available to those not looking for it.

So time and place because it's a cartoon and people think cartoons are for kids?

South Park killed that notion a long time ago. Boondocks put a few more nails in the coffin. Cartoons of all types have grown new accepted genres within the medium of drawn art that are most definitely NOT for kids.

[Orange Joe]

The purpose of comedy is to get you to laugh.
The purpose of horror stories is to spook its audience
The purpose of ecchi is: __________????

Why does it matter what the purpose is? Is someone forcing you to watch it?

[sarahtasher]

It's not going to be made available to those not looking for it.

So time and place because it's a cartoon and people think cartoons are for kids?

South Park killed that notion a long time ago. Boondocks put a few more nails in the coffin. Cartoons of all types have grown new accepted genres within the medium of drawn art that are most definitely NOT for kids.

They are not calling for a ban. They are saying ''this show is bad''. Which is not a crime and usually subjective. Frankly, it's not a stretch to say that, even in the fan service heavy anime industry, some shows are really icing it. (This is coming from someone who liked Cross Ange to the point of buying the Blu-Rays, but think nevertheless that the uniforms were ridiculous)

[Strangebrew]

Well, the purpose of the sinopsis is for the consumer to have a vague idea of what the show is about.There are some exceptions which is why I asked if I'm missing some brilliant satire.

Yeah, vague.
What do you think vague means?
There is a reason why the 3 episode rule exist, you would think that someone who pretends to have been an avid fan of anime would know of that common saying amongst the anime community.

[Citation needed]



The purpose of comedy is to get you to laugh.
The purpose of horror stories is to spook its audience
The purpose of ecchi is: __________????

You perfectly know the answer to this, you still haven't answered why that is a bad thing, why are you avoiding the question?

[sarahtasher]

Why does it matter what the purpose is? Is someone forcing you to watch it?

No, no one does. It's quite covered by freedom of speech however to mock the said work.

[Orange Joe]

No, no one does. It's quite covered by freedom of speech however to mock the said work.

I don't have anything against mocking it. but saying something shouldn't exist isn't mocking it.

[Fenixhart]

Japan makes fanservice. News at 11.

Yes, it's absurd and fetishistic, and twelve different other things you could name it. But it's just another drop int he bucket.

The general state of anime is kind of upsetting, honestly. Unless you're Miyazaki you can't make anything just for the sake of the animation unless you want to tank your studio into the ground.