10-times deported Mexican man accused of raping a child on a Greyhound bus

[Sam the Wiser]

Death penalty. No question about it.

I can't stop laughing.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Oh look its Zoombergy and one of his alt-right race baiting threads. I guess one of his bans must recently have worn off.

About an hour ago, allexw.

Anything else to contribute?

[Theinquisition]

Still waiting for that statistical data that backs up the claim that illegal immigrants are inherently more violent than the rest of society.

does it matter?

Why should we be okay with importing more criminals?

[Jonnusthegreat]

Yes, I'm aware that you have in the USA wonderful people offering to pay bonds for accused at killing rate (pun intended), another thing that is completely illegal for good reasons in most Common Law countries. That said, it would think someone with a massive headwound to accept to pay the bail for a transient worker (this is a description of his financial means: he is a transient worker accused of rape or a rapist transient worker, if this rock your boat)

So then you don't know how they actually work. A multi-millionaire would never have a bond of $100,000 for sexual abuse.

[alexw]

About an hour ago, allexw.

Anything else to contribute?

Just that I've reported you for doing the usual sort of thing you do, namely making a thread solely to race-bait. So you can probably expect to be going on another forum vacation shortly.

[sarahtasher]

He could be out right now for all we know.

The right call would have been no bail option period.

Somebody who has hopped the border ~20 times (there and back) defines "flight risk".

Bad call, bad judge.

In addition of the incapacity of the accused to pay such sums (most accused in the USA are, famously, unable to pay for 1000 $ caution), what is, according to you, the average caution for sex crimes in the USA ?

Hint :

http://www.sb-court.org/portals/0/do...l-schedule.pdf

[Celista]

does it matter?

Why should we be okay with importing more criminals?

It wouldn't matter if this wasn't the argument that was proposed by the Trump camp.

Things are bad in Mexico, likely worse than what we know due to the Mexican cartels' propensity for decapitating journalists. Mexico is the #1 most dangerous place in the world for journalists to be, which means that we are likely not getting a complete picture as to how bad things are there currently (we already know things are pretty bad, however).

I am not pro-illegal immigration but I don't consider someone whose only crime is overstaying a US visa to be a criminal.

[PACOX]

"Billionaire" native accused of sexualy assaulting 9 women.

This story does just a disservice to the alleged victim (God forbid the man is guilty) by politicizing the story instead of focusing on the alleged crime that took place.

The bail doesn't matter. People get bail all the time. Like someone said a billionaire would have been granted bail and paid for it with no problem.

Deported 10 times, wtf does that have to do with a little girl being raped? Musing about what it's is useless. What if had rained that day, what if the bus never came? You can play with hindsight all day but in reality a crime took place and it needs to addressed. What if someone was watching the little girl?


Fuck this guy if he is guilty but fuck those who also see nothing but a political pawn to push whatever narrative they are cooking up for attention /ratings /votes/bullshit.

[TrumpIsPresident]

In addition of the incapacity of the accused to pay such sums (most accused in the USA are, famously, unable to pay for 1000 $ caution), what is, according to you, the average caution for sex crimes in the USA ?

Hint :

http://www.sb-court.org/portals/0/do...l-schedule.pdf

You're hung up on the dollar amount because you assume he cant pay.

Its a safe assumption I'll give you that.

But all it takes is one cousin to hit up a bondsman with a car title or a few $K and hes out and fleeing.

So I'll say it again:

Somebody who has hopped the border ~20 times (there and back) defines "flight risk".

Bad call, bad judge.

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Just that I've reported you for doing the usual sort of thing you do, namely making a thread solely to race-bait. So you can probably expect to be going on another forum vacation shortly.

I posted the thread in its entirety, un-altered, from a major accepted source, and made absolutely no mention of anything coming anywhere near racial in my comment of it.

In fact the only person injecting race here ...is you.

So lets all report allexw for attempting to derail the thread with his version of race-baiting.

[sarahtasher]

You're hung up on the dollar amount because you assume he cant pay.

Its a safe assumption I'll give you that.

But all it takes is one cousin to hit up a bondsman with a car title or a few $K and hes out and fleeing.

So I'll say it again:

Somebody who has hopped the border ~20 times (there and back) defines "flight risk".

Bad call, bad judge.

Most US defendants are unable to use the bond bail service for paltry sum. 100 000 , which for the record seems to be well within bail guidelines in the US for the couple of courts I was able to google, amounts to ''one ring with a finger of an halfling inside'' as possibilites to pay go.

[Crissi]

I'll agree with Zombergy in this. 20 border crossings define a guy ready to flee easily, and thus he should have been denied bond period. Bond denial is only for immediate public danger or flee risk, and he pretty clearly fits the latter at least.

I vote we implement treaty's where in return for aid, we deport criminals who are then immediately jailed in their home country for the duration in the sentence. Not sure how viable that is but just a thought

[TrumpIsPresident]

Most US defendants are unable to use the bond bail service for paltry sum. 100 000 , which for the record seems to be well within bail guidelines in the US for the couple of courts I was able to google, amounts to ''one ring with a finger of an halfling inside'' as possibilites to pay go.

Well we just disagree saarahtasher.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists who's financial abilities are completely unknown due to their illegal status.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists who's financial abilities are completely unknown due to their illegal status who have also demonstrated a clear and persistent mastery of being able to move between two countries.

Not much more we can say on this.

[Celista]

I'll agree with Zombergy in this. 20 border crossings define a guy ready to flee easily, and thus he should have been denied bond period. Bond denial is only for immediate public danger or flee risk, and he pretty clearly fits the latter at least.

I vote we implement treaty's where in return for aid, we deport criminals who are then immediately jailed in their home country for the duration in the sentence. Not sure how viable that is but just a thought

I don't think the US has a "take your criminals back for aid" program but we do deport criminals to their home countries on a regular basis.

[Crissi]

I don't think the US has a "take your criminals back for aid" program but we do deport criminals to their home countries on a regular basis.

Sure but unless they commit crimes there, they're generally free once they land. I rather incarcerate them there than here unless we have a really good reason to (like risk if escape due to corruption)

[sarahtasher]

Well we just disagree saarahtasher.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists who's financial abilities are completely unknown due to their illegal status.

I don't think its wise to set bond for child rapists who's financial abilities are completely unknown due to their illegal status who have also demonstrated a clear and persistent mastery of being able to move between two countries.

Not much more we can say on this.

Once again, that the US court system allow bail for sex crimes is

A)not my fault
b)not the judge fault

[Theinquisition]

It wouldn't matter if this wasn't the argument that was proposed by the Trump camp.

Things are bad in Mexico, likely worse than what we know due to the Mexican cartels' propensity for decapitating journalists. Mexico is the #1 most dangerous place in the world for journalists to be, which means that we are likely not getting a complete picture as to how bad things are there currently (we already know things are pretty bad, however).

I am not pro-illegal immigration but I don't consider someone whose only crime is overstaying a US visa to be a criminal.

Heres a few numbers

862 Illegal sex offenders were deported from Texas this Fiscal year, 27% of those sex offenses were against children. hell, Texas deports over 2000 sex offenders every year from at least 2011.

that's 2000 men and woman who wouldn't have been victims had our Federal gov't been doing their damned job.

[sarahtasher]

Heres a few numbers

862 Illegal sex offenders were deported from Texas this Fiscal year, 27% of those sex offenses were against children. hell, Texas deports over 2000 sex offenders every year from at least 2011.

that's 2000 men and woman who wouldn't have been victims had our Federal gov't been doing their damned job.

And how many sex offenders there is in TEXAS ? (Answer, 87 000)

[RickJamesLich]

Snuck back across the border 10 times? lol, fuck it at this point the government should be held responsible as well.

[Crissi]

Snuck back across the border 10 times? lol, fuck it at this point the government should be held responsible as well.

Depends how he crossed. If through an actual checkpoint, yeah that's the givers screw up. Though the desert: there's only so much manpower when we have such a large border and the desert is so inhospitable

[Celista]

Sure but unless they commit crimes there, they're generally free once they land. I rather incarcerate them there than here unless we have a really good reason to (like risk if escape due to corruption)

It depends on the country but generally speaking, if we have a partnership agreement with a given country then they are not simply allowed to go free.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-oeo...ansfer-program