7.1 ele buffs

[ehxy]

You guys are crazy elemental shaman is one of the best mythic + runners.

There are zero aoe heavy raid fights that require extensive periods of aoe outside of mythic EN adds and even then nothing compared to the mythic + shit where an elemental shaman can really unload.

[Deleted]

He's talking about dragons (I'd assume), which we are actually performing pretty well on.

I assumed we were still on Xavius/Cenarius, my bad.

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You guys are crazy elemental shaman is one of the best mythic + runners.

Low M+ where you can just pull the entire dungeon? Sure. Higher M+ where it's more about sustained single target DPS given most affixes? Less so. Still strong, but not the best. That's where Enhancement comes into play.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

They could use a bit more consistency to their damage, but they fit in really well into what this game is now.
Very nice aoe and cleave, very solid burst, and the best utility of any ranged dps for 5 mans.
The major point they are lacking in is sustain, which obviously hurts them in raids, but in short burst situations like there often are in raids and always are in dungeons, they are perfectly fine.

[Volitar]

Have you guys ever played ele in the past 9 years. Its a shitty spec that the devs don't care about stop getting your hopes up.

[Hugsforpeace]

Logs please.

Let's talk numbers instead of anecdotes (or lies in your case).

I'm sure we won't see you here again.

But let's do some homework: you're a European Mistweaver who claims to have killed 7/7M with 2 Elemental Shamans in your raid. These are the Xavius M logs for Mistweavers with at least 1 Elemental Shaman in the group, and the Elemental his DPS rank in parentheses:
- https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done (11)

That's it.

Let's just have a look at all (worldwide) M Xavius Elemental logs so far (there's not too many to go through). This is a list of their DPS ranks in their raid group, going from the top ranked Elemental Shaman to the bottom ranked one within their class on M Xavius:
- 5
- 9
- 11
- 10
- 10
- 7
- 10
- 9
- 9
- 11
- 12
- 13
- 13
- 11
- 11
- 13
- 14
- 13
- 12
- 13
- 14
- 13
- 14
- 14
- 13
- 14

There are no logs on M Xavius with 2 Elemental Shamans.

But I'm sure you keeps your private, right?

Damn fam, Savage AF +1

[Menubrea]

He's talking about dragons (I'd assume), which we are actually performing pretty well on. That said, us being at the bottom of any encounter that doesn't allow for constant spam of our AoE should be pretty unacceptable. I don't know what Blizzard is thinking, but if we're not getting buffs because we are doing fine in M+, then they must not value the raid experience nearly as much as their player-base. The spells that make us good in M+ are completely different from what is holding us back in raids, and one could easily be buffed without heavily impacting the other. No one wants to be strong in every situation, but we want to at least feel like we can compete.

The funny thing about that argument, of course is that Fury Warriors perform at the same level DPS wise in M+ as Elemental, and just as shit as Elemental in EN. Yet only Fury seem to be set for some number tuning.

I'd argue Elemental is in an even worse position as the top 3 dominant EN specs are ranged, and even one of them being a mail spec. Leaving really no reason to bring an Elemental Shaman to Mythic at all, unless you're left with no other decent options.

[Sylfaine]

We don't to be honest, unless you assume the Elemental Shamans who have done right now are utter and absolute scrubs. The guy who ranked 5th among his raid comp outperformed the other DPS specs significantly.

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No no, it was pure irony, even on "our" fight we are still miles behind the best spec so...

[Ealyssa]

but play competition content like raid or mythic+, ele is unplayble spec.

You should try "competition content" yourself...

While ele isn't great in raid it's a really strong spec in M+

[Zazey]

Alright, I don't want to do a full log analysis here because I don't have the time, but just as a quick look through, we can see just how underpowered eles are. Stop saying "we aren't that bad." because we are. Yes in M+ we are good, but for the wrong reasons. The AoE dps is great for ele, but it stills gets demolished by some other specs, EQ just has a knockdown. For a class that claims to be the niche for sustained aoe, there is literally 0 sustained aoe in the expansion so far.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Just for laughs I decided to compare the TOP ele shaman to the rest of the players in all classes and specs on every fight on Mythic EN. Let's begin:

1. Nythendra - top ele player is ranked 893 overall. Thats 892 players (in which virtually all specs in the game beat) that are higher than him. The BEST ele shaman log, got DEMOLISHED by 892 other players.

2. Reneferal - This is a wierd one. Every now and then you get a fight with a way of doing something where you can pad meters, and this seems to be the case, the top ele shaman is at 370482, the second highest (and all others near them) are at 333981, this is a huge disparity, and typically means that the top ele sham padded somewhere. If we look into his logs we can see that they got a 3rd platform (which not many people do), and he seemed to be the ONLY dps on adds in that phase, so he could spam CL and EQ all he wanted. I will throw this log out because it's irrelevant. So assuming the top NORMAL ele sham is 333981, he is at 1002 overall. Give me a break, this fight has cleave on it too.

3. Ursoc - The top ele shaman parse, which again is ways ahead of the others, is ranked 1783 overall, absolutely garbage on the one fight thats a DPS check.

4. Dragons of Nightmare - The one fight where ele can actually perform well, high middle of the pack, or if lucky with procs top the raid. Number 1 ele is 43 overall, however we once again have a large disparity here as the number 2 ele is 312 overall, and the number 10 ele is 712 overall. Still I'll say that ele can do reasonable on that fight. However, I'll bring this up again. Ele is the so called "aoe king" yet on a fight where you have the most sustained cleave in the game we only have 13 people in the top 1000. Our cleave means nothing.

5. I'llgynoth - Number 1 ele is 357 overall, number 2 is 873. Trash.

6. Cenarius - Let me start off by saying that only 13 ele shams have logged a cenarius kill. The first shammy is at 362 overall.

7. Xavius - 27 shamans here, lol. First at 575, second around 800, everything after that well over 1000.

We are not in a good spot. We are in an abhorrent spot. If I had gone into logs in depth I could prove it further. I honestly feel like the people saying, "we can do 300k dps we're fine stop whinning" think that 300k dps is good lol. Please correct me if I am wrong, because even in every single pull where the ele shammy got a #1 ele sham parse, multiple people in their OWN RAID beat them.

[Fallakin]

Elemental is ok for early Mythic+ and they can sustain dps on bosses in early Mythic+, but that's because there is so much AOE and those bosses die in the amount of time EM/Asc/Elemental lasts. Once you get above Mythic +6, it's not a sustainable spec.

I wanted so badly to be able to play Elemental at a high level, I got benched because it's just not possible. I spent 4 consecutive days catching Doomhammer up with Fist and grabbing upgrades/extra gear and was top 3 in my raid on Ursoc last night. Saying "Elemental is fine" is just ignoring reality at this point.

[Nyel]

7/7 mythic guild, we have 2 elementals. One is in top 5 on most bosses. Elementals are very strong on the dragons of nightmare. Just look at logs and do what they do as you clearly can't figure out which spells to press. Out of the 2 you have. ^

If one of your Ele Shamans is in the Top 5 you're a) carrying too much Frost Mages and Frost DKs around or b) your other DPS are pretty underwhelming.

[JonBeMerkin]

Ele isn't unplayable, stop spreading that nonsense.
We're not top tier and with these buffs to frost specs, we'll probably be lowest dps but that is still FAR from "unplayable".
I do, however, agree that elemental needs big buffs to be competitive.

Theres people that actually care about the others in their raid group and dont want to just sit there underperforming on a sub par spec doing 50k less DPS then any other range class in the game. For people that actually care, its not playable. If you don't care and just want to "have fun!" then play whatever you want but don't sit there and say a spec is playable just because its fun.

Elemental is fucking garbage and needs a buff no1 should be playing it right now unelss you are doing mythic + dungeons or want to hurt your raid. PERIOD.

[bour721]

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