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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    See my above response. It is literally impossible that Wrathion got even MOST of it since Jaina's staff siphoned the power first.
    Wrathion's questline is just as canon and we don't know if the heart was removed first and since Wrathion received the exact same vision Ra'den did in the past, it is extremely likely Wrathion got the entire remaining essence of Aman'thul. While Jaina got a fraction of ra'dens personal power.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Wrathion's questline is just as canon and we don't know if the heart was removed first and since Wrathion received the exact same vision Ra'den did in the past, it is extremely likely Wrathion got the entire remaining essence of Aman'thul. While Jaina got a fraction of ra'dens personal power.
    Lei Shen stole both Raden's power and the soul from Amanthul. Raden's power could easily have had the information stored in it as well. Or Wrathion simply got a remnant of the power. Regardless of whether you removed the heart or did what Jaina asked first or second, the quest has you draw all(most?) of the titanic power into her staff. Even if the heart was in your bag it would have removed it considering she had no idea it was actually in Lei Shen as she figured it was hidden.

    On you saying his quest is canon that makes no sense to the situation since nothing in the questline does it say that he actually got Amanthul's power/soul from it. Never did I say his quest was not canon, but you're trying to discredit by using a straw man there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    You know what would be funny? If Norgannon's spark went to Loken, maybe the Old Gods got it somehow from him
    They would have mentioned that in Chronicle to be honest. I could see if the spark went to him and died with him, but none of the old gods were in a position to really take it from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Wrathion's questline is just as canon and we don't know if the heart was removed first and since Wrathion received the exact same vision Ra'den did in the past, it is extremely likely Wrathion got the entire remaining essence of Aman'thul. While Jaina got a fraction of ra'dens personal power.
    It's funny that he's absent in all of this and the expansion that we learn that the Titans are gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    Lei Shen stole both Raden's power and the soul from Amanthul. Raden's power could easily have had the information stored in it as well. Or Wrathion simply got a remnant of the power. Regardless of whether you removed the heart or did what Jaina asked first or second, the quest has you draw all(most?) of the titanic power into her staff. Even if the heart was in your bag it would have removed it considering she had no idea it was actually in Lei Shen as she figured it was hidden.
    Jaina did not get the essence of Aman'thul that is pretty much a fact and the titan power is tied to that very essence, all Jaina got was remained of ra'dens power in the chamber, which you can even see. The power is only being siphoned from one place in the room, the ceiling.

    On you saying his quest is canon that makes no sense to the situation since nothing in the questline does it say that he actually got Amanthul's power/soul from it. Never did I say his quest was not canon, but you're trying to discredit by using a straw man there.
    He got the exact same vision his voice changed to that of Aman'thul etc. it is the exact same thing that happened to ra'den and he immediately forgot afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    It's funny that he's absent in all of this and the expansion that we learn that the Titans are gone.
    He was originally in the beta, but blizz created ebonhorn instead and it is hinted he might appear later on, with ebonhorn mentioning family matters and wrathion is the only other black dragon on Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Jaina did not get the essence of Aman'thul that is pretty much a fact and the titan power is tied to that very essence, all Jaina got was remained of ra'dens power in the chamber, which you can even see. The power is only being siphoned from one place in the room, the ceiling.



    He got the exact same vision his voice changed to that of Aman'thul etc. it is the exact same thing that happened to ra'den and he immediately forgot afterwards.

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    He was originally in the beta, but blizz created ebonhorn instead and it is hinted he might appear later on, with ebonhorn mentioning family matters and wrathion is the only other black dragon on Azeroth.
    Quest text says otherwise. You're spouting opinion as fact now when in game text pretty much shows otherwise.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    Quest text says otherwise. You're spouting opinion as fact now when in game text pretty much shows otherwise.
    Well it seems you did not do it back then, I have and after a few seconds of search here

    https://youtu.be/UEj_fLBEjyg?t=303

    And then the fact that Wrathion recognizes the heart of Lei shen and says it is filled with Titan magic

    https://youtu.be/8rQVQAUwDwM?t=39
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  7. #27
    Unless Norgannon was into some heavy voodoo and sliced their souls up there is too many Keepers for all of them to be imbued. Perhaps Odyn was deemed already powerful enough as Prime Designate, maybe Aman'thul didn't have enough VALOR to enter Odyn, or (most likely) the spell was kinda random. The battle was total mayhem and this was their last resort after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Unless Norgannon was into some heavy voodoo and sliced their souls up there is too many Keepers for all of them to be imbued. Perhaps Odyn was deemed already powerful enough as Prime Designate, maybe Aman'thul didn't have enough VALOR to enter Odyn, or (most likely) the spell was kinda random. The battle was total mayhem and this was their last resort after all.
    Maybe is the first thing since Odyn is so fucking powerful in the raid and now i am thinking about it maybe he would hunt down wrathion just to eat him and get the remmanets of aman thul soul

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrokur View Post
    Maybe is the first thing since Odyn is so fucking powerful in the raid and now i am thinking about it maybe he would hunt down wrathion just to eat him and get the remmanets of aman thul soul
    Unlikely he knows about it. Especially if he wasn't one of the imbued Keepers. Even the ones that were were unaware of what really happened to them, other than Ra.
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  10. #30
    if only we could extract the titan souls and put them into like some earthen or something. something easier for them to take over.
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  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    Quest text says otherwise. You're spouting opinion as fact now when in game text pretty much shows otherwise.
    Quest text didn't "say otherwise" (in other words, imply that Jaina gained most of the titan's power). This is what the quest text said:
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    It is rumored that the Thunder King's power comes directly from a hidden source within his palace.
    Even when he is defeated a new tyrant, Garrosh perhaps, could still use this magic to a terrible end.
    That is unless we make the first move!
    Take my staff into the Pinnacle of Storms. Once Lei Shen has been defeated place my staff in the center of his dais.
    We will drain the rest of his power and make sure it stays in our hands.
    and you can see the siphon process in the clip linked by @Combatbulter here.

    As you can see, Jaina was *probably* mistaken. She thought that Lei Shen's power came from "a hidden source within his place" based on rumour. Thus, she gave us the staff to place in the center of his dais after Lei Shen defeat so that the staff would siphon the power at the roof of the room. However, it's the other way around. Lei Shen didn't get his power from his palace, his palace get the power from Lei Shen instead. Jaina only got the bit of power left over in the palace.
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Unlikely he knows about it. Especially if he wasn't one of the imbued Keepers. Even the ones that were were unaware of what really happened to them, other than Ra.
    Well remember that Odyn have two raven that can recolect information, maybe when we free him that guy is gonna look a bit about story of azeroth in the meantime while he was locked, also remember Odyn is the guy searching power to destroy the enemies of azeroth.

  13. #33
    How could we possibly have killed Archaedas? We were in a bunch of greens and blues and we killed a watcher on equal par strength as Hodir?

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    How could we possibly have killed Archaedas? We were in a bunch of greens and blues and we killed a watcher on equal par strength as Hodir?
    cause.. they had not written about the whole titans being dead and sucked into the watcher's body yet, at that point.

    and R.I.P best troll

  15. #35
    well iam just going to call it now. WHO was the most powerful of the titans?

    Due to us saving Illidan, Odyn will recieve the titan soul of Sargares.

    Note this post.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharli View Post
    cause.. they had not written about the whole titans being dead and sucked into the watcher's body yet, at that point.

    and R.I.P best troll
    Only troll.

    Yeah Archaedas needs to be ressed or "dint rly die" or something if he's Khaz'goroth's champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenjen View Post
    well iam just going to call it now. WHO was the most powerful of the titans?

    Due to us saving Illidan, Odyn will recieve the titan soul of Sargares.

    Note this post.
    ....That's not happening because Sargeras would just get sent to the Nether. The other Titans aren't turned demonic/full with Fel energy.
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