Canadian political party forces member to justify "equity group" to keep his job.

[Tradewind]

Its just a political party, I would not say its fearsome, just dont vote for them.

It's one of the 3 major political parties in this country. Federally it has served as the official opposition from 2011-2015, it also served as the ruling body of British Columbia for 2 consecutive terms and is the only other major party in the province with any seats.

The fact that they think highly discriminatory practices is fine and dandy opens the door for more of these bullshit policies, even with other parties. More so when people take a "meh" attitude towards it. This kind of shit is not acceptable at any level, let alone government.

[JohnBrown1917]

Like the party cares who votes, according to their ideas.

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[Super Kami Dende]

Welcome to the new world. Where merit and experience matters naught for the Job, you just have to be a minority or have a cunt between your legs and you are somehow more qualified than anyone else (see: White Males).

[JohnBrown1917]

It's one of the 3 major political parties in this country. Federally it has served as the official opposition from 2011-2015, it also served as the ruling body of British Columbia for 2 consecutive terms and is the only other major party in the province with any seats.

The fact that they think highly discriminatory practices is fine and dandy opens the door for more of these bullshit policies, even with other parties. More so when people take a "meh" attitude towards it. This kind of shit is not acceptable at any level, let alone government.

So don't vote for them? A parties rules are its own business.

[Tradewind]

So don't vote for them? A parties rules are its own business.

I don't vote for them. Unfortunately millions of others seem to keep doing it.

Shitty regressive political parties who endorse and promote discrimination do not belong in this country.

[Raptor With a Saber]

Think this stopped being about equality the moment they prevent a group of people from running.

[minteK917]

I hate to get super offtopic cuz of random replies, but...what?

The last time Alberta received EP's from Ottawa was 1965, and has only received a total of $92 Million since 1957, barely 3% of what BC has taken in, which is not even 1.5% of the nearly 200 Billion Quebec has absorbed in that time. Even if you add up BC/AB/SK it doesn't come close to Ontario or Quebec (certainly not the latter).

Even during the 80s glut, no money came in. Even now, during "80s glut 2 OPEC boogaloo", not a fuckin' dime.

At the end of the 19th century, the West was part of a nationwide boom. Dry farming was a huge technology boost, swaths of temperate/moderately humid farmland to exploit. Pre WW1, the West was booming along with Central and Eastern Canada thanks to grain harvesting etc. The Maritimes were languishing the whole while sadly. During WW1, war time productions of grain caused the prices to skyrocket, all the prairie provinces were in a grain boom. Then the great depression happened, the whole country suffered immeasurably, no aid came because there was none to give. Luckily oil was found in the 30s down in Turner Valley, then later in the 40s up in Leduc. AB transitioned shortly thereafter towards oil & gas.

All that being said, when exactly did the East prop up the West in the last century, century and a half even? Creating the Wheat Board in the 30s? Building a CPRail line to Port Moody?

Yeah there's some truth to the whole "putting our eggs in one basket" argument. But that's not the main reason why we're not rolling in dough Norway style. We're a province, in a country. We don't get to dictate all the terms of our tax revenues, they're called federal taxes for a reason. We have over a $200 billion dollar net deficit between us and Ottawa. As in, that's how much AB has given up in tax revenues to Ottawa versus how much has come back in reinvestment, like transfers for health care, infrastructure etc. Over 4 million people live in just AB, compared to the 8.1 in Quebec (around 13.2 in Ontario afaik) and yet neither one of them has contributed anything remotely close to how much AB has, in well over 20 years. In 2009, AB contributed $36 Billion worth of tax revenues to Ottawa (rounding all of these up cuz they're all $__.9B). Ottawa reinvested just shy of $20B of it back to AB, a net deficit of roughly $16B to AB. Ontario, despite having 3x the population contributed $85B, to which Ottawa reinvested $86B back. Math should be simple there. Quebec is even worse, contributed $39B (with 2x the population...) and took $53B from Ottawa, a net surplus of fuckin $13.6B. Our deficit is more than that amount for 2009...wtf at that.

So when someone says "AB is propping up the East" it's not that far fetched of a concept. Every person is contributing an equal percentage of their federal tax (give or take), GST is the same everywhere. But only receive a fraction in return investment from Ottawa. Per capita every Albertan accounts for $9000 annually (super rounding here) in federal tax revenues, obviously O&G businesses and royalties are contributing a lot of it. We get back $5000 per person. Quebec, around $4,900 per person in federal tax revenue, because Quebec gets to tank their hydro rates to remain "have not" on their resources calculations for EP. But they received back $6600, per person. Ontario it's $6500 out vs $6600 in. So not only does Alberta contribute almost twice as much per person, we get less 75% less back than everyone else. This is just from 2009. It's been this way since the 80s. Even if "the East built the West" statement were true, I think we've more than made up for it with ~30 years of getting shafted by them. All we want is some reciprocity. We'll settle for Coderre shutting the fuck up too

You realize part of the money going back is the fact Provincial Governments offer more services in their own taxes already in the eastern provinces. Alberta has no provincial taxes so to speak (terrible mistake to begin with). Quebec and Ontario have their own police forces as only one example of a services that the Federal has to repay back taxes, because their provincial taxes already covers it, while your police force are the federal ones. Their citizen pay more taxes than you do. A good example is Trudeau kids garding program country wide, since Quebec already has such a system in place, they will simply get more taxes money back, since its already covered by their provincial taxes. Everytime the Federal offers a services, if the provinces already have the program, the tax paid are sent back. Im not saying it accounts for all of it, but it accounts for most. Quebec has the highest provincial taxes and most services covered. That money is simply sent back, since as for the example of the RCMP have little presence in Quebec, outside of international cases.

Nationalization of Electricity is another topic entirely. I think it has a more combative history thought. I think if the Bank of Canada didnt force Quebec to have to seek NY bankers for cash in its creation, the situation would be less confrontational all around. But it is what it is.

[Tennis]

What's the issue here? Diversity is good.

[Super Kami Dende]

What's the issue here? Diversity is good.

Excluding a group of people from something is not diversity. Equal Opportunity is the important part. But idiots confuse that with Equal outcome.

[Tennis]

Excluding a group of people from something is not diversity. Equal Opportunity is the important part. But idiots confuse that with Equal outcome.

Diversity is more important. It's racist/sexist to only have one race and one gender.

[Tradewind]

You realize part of the money going back is the fact Provincial Governments offer more services in their own taxes already in the eastern provinces. Alberta has no provincial taxes so to speak (terrible mistake to begin with). Quebec and Ontario have their own police forces. Their citizen pay more taxes than you do. A good example is Trudeau kids garding program country wide, since Quebec already has such a system in place, they will simply get more taxes money back, since its already covered by their provincial taxes.

To the tune of thousands of dollars per person annually for decades? Tens of billions of dollars in all? I find that somewhat dubious. It does nothing to explain away the $200Billion+ deficit Alberta has with Ottawa, nor why Quebec intentionally undercuts itself on its resource dealings to bullshit their tax valuation.

That's also what provincial taxes are for. Federal funds are not sent to Ottawa just to offset the cost of unilateral decisions made by provinces, the transfer system is not built for that. "To make sure that no matter where someone lives in Canada, their governments have enough money to deliver reasonably comparable public services." The payments themselves are not tied to what social programs provinces have enacted individually. Whether Quebec has $7/day childcare, or cheap ass tuition has no bearing on the amount of money they receive from Ottawa. It is entirely reliant upon: personal income tax, business income tax, consumption tax, property tax and natural resource revenues. Categories that these habitual "take all" provinces exploit to their benefit.

Federal money is gathered equally and thus should be distributed equally.

Remember too, this has been happening for decades. A childhood gardening program instituted this year is pretty pointless...unless there's also 30 years worth of special programs in Ontario and Quebec to justify their running roughshod on exploiting federal funding to cover their special regional subsidies all this time to the tune of billions of dollars...in which case, what the fuck?

Anyway, lets table it for a more appropriate thread.

[Super Kami Dende]

Diversity is more important. It's racist/sexist to only have one race and one gender.

Yes, Diversity within equal opportunity is. As I just said. Equal outcome is a different ballgame.

[Tradewind]

What's the issue here? Diversity is good.

This may as well be written in fucking crayon.

[Polyxo]

Yes, Diversity within equal opportunity is. As I just said. Equal outcome is a different ballgame.

Except it's not equal opportunity. You're arguing for 'equal' rule-sets, that aren't applied equally, and unequal resources. It's akin to a poorly refereed professional sports league with no salary cap. The glitzy, bigger markets get the stars that everyone loves, get more favorable officiating, and have the ability to spend several times over smaller markets on talent.

[Tennis]

This may as well be written in fucking crayon.

Canadians expect their government to be reflective of society. Might want to get with the program.

[Medusa Cascade]

Canadians expect their government to be reflective of society. Might want to get with the program.

So Canada has no white people then?

[Belize]

Stop feeding tennisface guys.

We all know he's a T-WordThatCan'tBeSaidOnThisForumBecauseReasons


[Infracted]

[Medusa Cascade]

Stop feeding tennisface guys.

We all know he's a T-WordThatCan'tBeSaidOnThisForumBecauseReasons

But I want to see what he comes out with next

[Tennis]

We all knew Canada was gonna take its hippy tolerance bullshit too far, was just a matter of when.

Minorities should be represented. They should not be FORCIBLY represented to the detriment of the rest of society

Minorities must be given the opportunity to succeed.

[Belize]

But I want to see what he comes out with next

And I'd like to keep my braincells. I already have so few left from posting here for so long.