Canadian political party forces member to justify "equity group" to keep his job.

[Polyxo]

You're not saying there's a conspiracy though right?

Nope, just a combination of lopsided economic resources, systemic discrimination, inherited political momentum and implicit bias. Generally, being a part of the majority puts you in 'easy mode' in most civil arenas.

[Hotmail]

If Jack Layton were alive he would have set this whole mess straight with that friendly mustache of his. The NDP really isn't the same without him.

[Tradewind]

Nope, just a combination of lopsided economic resources, systemic discrimination, inherited political momentum and implicit bias. Generally, being a part of the majority puts you in 'easy mode' in most civil arenas.

Assuming for a second this is all real. None of it justifies bullying people into proving how disadvantaged they are to secure their elected position. None of it justifies the outright exclusion of swaths of people based on their gender, orientation or race, regardless of what they might be. That's not how equality works. Nevermind that it completely violates every human rights charter in this country.

[Polyxo]

But you're talking about probabilities of being hired now, instead of instating people based on demographic earlier.

I doubt you're even talking about Canada at that.

I'm just mentioning other cases of correcting for demographic discrepancies as examples of doing the same thing.

[Kraenen]

Nope, just a combination of lopsided economic resources, systemic discrimination, inherited political momentum and implicit bias. Generally, being a part of the majority puts you in 'easy mode' in most civil arenas.

There are advantages sure. But it's not easy just being a white person.

[Deleted]

Nope, just a combination of lopsided economic resources, systemic discrimination, inherited political momentum and implicit bias. Generally, being a part of the majority puts you in 'easy mode' in most civil arenas.

So what if they are in what you think is easy mode? They can represent minorities just fine too.

[Polyxo]

Assuming for a second this is all real. None of it justifies bullying people into proving how disadvantaged they are to secure their elected position. None of it justifies the outright exclusion of swaths of people based on their gender, orientation or race, regardless of what they might be. That's not how equality works.

The way you want to picture this is as followed:

You have a pool of demographic x, and a pool of demographic y. X is overrepresented by a certain degree, by taking from Y. When you force in a certain degree of candidates from Y to correct the numbers, what happens is that normalized over time, if all candidates were actually given the same opportunity, the ones from group X that were passed over would not have made the cut anyway.

[Deleted]

You give candidates of an underrepresented demographic an increased opportunity to correct for bias, or you do fix some of the outcome, because that's a net positive effect. The latter isn't an ultimate solution, but it is a much preferred outcome to just letting things go.

And i just want increased opportunities for the Aryans, those pesky Jews are over-represented.

[Tradewind]

The way you want to picture this is as followed:

You have a pool of demographic x, and a pool of demographic y. X is overrepresented by a certain degree, by taking from Y. When you force in a certain degree of candidates from Y to correct the numbers, what happens is that normalized over time, if all candidates were actually given the same opportunity, the ones from group X that were passed over would not have made the cut anyway.

Not even remotely relevant to this discussion.

There is no justification to flagrant violations of human rights charters.

[Kraenen]

I'm just mentioning other cases of correcting for demographic discrepancies as examples of doing the same thing.

Well, AA was a failure in colleges. It puts unqualified people into a place where they will more likely fail. On top of this you're keeping out asians and whites who are qualified for academia based on race and gender (racism and sexism).

[Deleted]

Nope, just a combination of lopsided economic resources, systemic discrimination, inherited political momentum and implicit bias. Generally, being a part of the majority puts you in 'easy mode' in most civil arenas.

Feel free to fix them.
Do no feel free to institute a discriminatory apartheid system.

[frogger237]

Diversity is more important. It's racist/sexist to only have one race and one gender.

So one should force someone to disclose their sexual identity to keep a job so its more diverse like what happened to this guy?

[Tennis]

So one should force someone to disclose their sexual identity to keep a job so its more diverse like what happened to this guy?

We should do what we can to ensure our politicians reflect society.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

What's the issue here? Diversity is good.

How'd I know Tennis would be fine with something like this.

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Canadians expect their government to be reflective of society. Might want to get with the program.

Why, though? What if no transgendered people want to run for office? Will you just force one to be in office anyway?

[Deleted]

We should do what we can to ensure our politicians reflect society.

Politicians should reflect society by being elected for their policies/opinions, not their race/gender/religion or whatever. Even if every single politician is a white man they can still represent minorities.

[Dreknar20]

We know there's a bias, it's been scientifically proven. We're just correcting for it.

disparity in stats is not proof of bias/racism/discrimination

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

The idea is to correct the numbers so that any given candidate has an unbiased probability of being elected (or hired, or accepted into college, for other cases of affirmative action). Discriminating to the point that the net probability of acceptance/hiring/etc is unbiased is not a bad thing. We know there's a bias, it's been scientifically proven. We're just correcting for it.

Since when does "unbiased probability" mean forcing certain types of people out of an election they fairly won?

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Why even have election at this point then? Everyone that wants to run just takes a number, and a computer can create an algorithm so every "type" of person gets to be in office for X amount of time. The only thing that matters is "equality" right?

[draganid]

Trudeau is doing enough to ensure that the Conservatives will remain the official opposition, but I just don't see him getting elected again if he thinks he can raise our taxes and bring in a shit load of refugees at the same time, while bitches like Wynne keep raping us on our hydro bills. The Liberals are good at one thing and that is raising taxes to justify the amount of fucking money they spend, meanwhile we live in a country where the housing market has literally gone out of control and is on the verge of exploding like a nuclear bomb. The only reason the housing market keeps staying high is because refugees and immigrants are buying them.

bolded is hilariously untrue. house prices are a joke because rich people in china with zero-intent of living here are buying them as investments. vancouver's nicest neighborhoods look half empty even tho the houses are all owned because nobody lives there.

on topic tho, one more thing to add to my list of "things to be ashamed of because i vote ndp"

[Deleted]

We should do what we can to ensure our politicians reflect society.

We have this procedure called - 'elections' - You may have heard of those?

[Tennis]

We have this procedure called - 'elections' - You may have heard of those?

Politics is not that simple. It's a much more complex process.