Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[TrumpIsPresident]

That's not what he asked. If you want to see democrat lead cities, the federal tax take versus contributions is crystal clear. He is tossing in 50% minority, but... well... let's see if he answers why...

Sacramento, San Jose, Los Angeles, New York City...
Is your rant against minorities, or Democrats? I'm just curious if your bigotry is based off of blind partisanship... or racism.

Because the original conversation chain was a question of why minorities should vote Democrat.

So we started talking about large cities that were Dem controlled, with high minority populations, and failing.

[Machismo]

Anyone else feel like watching Gung Ho with all this Detroit talk?

I still watch that movie on occasion.

[Lenonis]

Jesus folks, can't we just put partisanship on the sideline long enough to recognize that both candidates are just awful?

But not equally awful. Who is worse, of course, depends on the issues you care about. I refuse to acknowledge attempts to make them falsely equivalent.

[KyrtF]

Did...he just say that Iraq and the Kurdish forces are attacking Mosul...to help Hillary win?

I think he said they allowed Mosul to fall simply so they could liberate it now and help Clinton win.

[Kallisto]

Japanese cars were not only more efficient, they were a higher quality car. American cars just didn't last as long.

Yes Japanese cars are. Non US cars are built with efficiency especially with fuel consumption in mind. Petrol (Gas) prices in the US are the cheapest in the western world. For the rest of us we have to care about this efficiency. Especially with Miles per gallon as we really can't afford not to be and the Japanese/European car makers went right into that.

[The Penguin]

And you are a fool - you've proven to be a fool, and will forever be discredited for voting for a chicken-shit baby fo-billionare that sold your ass out to Russia who's more like a bad Batman villain than a president.

It's a sad thing when Putin is doing what our media ought, if they weren't completely corrupt. Watch Citizen Kane Rosebud.

That conservative beatdown Skroe gave him the other day was a thing of beauty.

Except it wasn't a beat down. It was a ignorant loser lying.. much like I see here.

[Lenonis]

Can you name a large city with a) 50% or higher minority population and b) decades of Democrat control that isn't failing?

These arguments bother me because they fail at nuance. For instance, completely ignoring the affect of the state government on the city, for instance.

[Machismo]

Because the original conversation chain was a question of why minorities should vote Democrat.

So we started talking about large cities that were Dem controlled, with high minority populations, and failing.

Minorities should vote for whomever they like. However, since the GOP had a clear racist image to overcome, it's not exactly a shock that they are having problems getting minorities to jump on board. The birther movement was based off of blind political partisanship and/or racism. The fear of border security is based off of xenophobia. The South, where racism and it's impacts are felt the hardest... is a GOP stronghold.

[alexw]

Japanese cars were not only more efficient, they were a higher quality car. American cars just didn't last as long.

Wrong. They were far more fuel efficient.

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e.../?page_id=1150

One of the biggest long-term effects was the massive change in cars due to the oil embargo. In Detroit the production of giant, gas guzzling cars was halted. Cars with big engines and large heavy bodies were no longer made in order to preserve oil and boost the economy. Detroit was forced to increase the fuel efficiency of all its cars. Today’s models like the Geo Metro and the Ford Escort are modeled after the 1970’s Chevy Vega and Ford Pinto (The Arab Oil Embargo of 1973-74). The sale of Japanese cars increased, because they met the efficiency standards that American cars did not. The American Auto industry was forced to meet these standards and reformulate its cars (Spiegelman).

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/06/04...stry/id=58056/

Capitalizing on some economic realities of the early 1970s also proved to be a boon for Japanese automakers. The 1973 OPEC oil crisis and the subsequent gasoline shortages at U.S. gas stations put the fuel efficiency of vehicles squarely in the forefront of the consciousness of American consumers. Nissan in particular was able to grab the attention of a great deal of American car drivers with an ad campaign about the fuel efficiency of its vehicles. In one commercial, a man in a dark suit carefully handles a decorative glass decanter filled with one gallon of gasoline, which “is one of our most valuable resources” as the commercial’s narrator reminded viewers. The commercial went on to explain that an average car would travel 13.5 miles on one gallon of gas while the Nissan Datsun could travel up to 30 miles on the same gallon. The success of this ad campaign would go to prove yet again that if you want the American public on your side as a consumer, promise them that their purchasing dollars will go farther with your product than it will with the competition’s.

[Espe]

I refuse to acknowledge attempts to make them falsely equivalent.

It's not just the attempt, it's also how ham-fisted and generally lazy they are. It's like the right wing nutjobs had all the wind knocked out from under their sails.

[Sky High]

These arguments bother me because they fail at nuance. For instance, completely ignoring the affect of the state government on the city, for instance.

shhhHHHH don't bring the bane of all internet discourse into this!

[The Penguin]

I think he said they allowed Mosul to fall simply so they could liberate it now and help Clinton win.

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

[Kallisto]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

Are we talking about the same Bush who basically halted all attempts to go after Osama because he wanted to quell his vendetta boner towards Saddam?

[Machismo]

Yes Japanese cars are. Non US cars are built with efficiency especially with fuel consumption in mind. Petrol (Gas) prices in the US are the cheapest in the western world. For the rest of us we have to care about this efficiency. Especially with Miles per gallon as we really can't afford not to be and the Japanese/European car makers went right into that.

I grew up believing that cars were spectacular if they made it to 100,000 miles. That's what Americans truly believed was the benchmark for a great car. Now, I'm pissed if I even have to get a repair before that much.

[Captain N]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

How ironic that you called someone else a lying loser --- http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[Eviscero]

Wrong. They were far more fuel efficient.

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e.../?page_id=1150



http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/06/04...stry/id=58056/

Innovate or die. Speaking of which, fuck anyone who thinks a transition away from coal is a bad thing.

[Espe]

Except it wasn't a beat down.

Bawww, it would be adorable if it weren't so sadly desperate.

You're the one always ranting about personal responsibility, maybe just take it like a man and admit he schooled you?

[Felya]

Because the original conversation chain was a question of why minorities should vote Democrat.

Then why did you ask where 50% more minorities? The question should be in how minorities perform in states that are blue or red. But, you know the answer to that?

So we started talking about large cities that were Dem controlled, with high minority populations, and failing.

So did white and everyone in between. Now check how minorities do on avarage in democrat controlled states.

[Sky High]

If you say so. Bush was too busy distracting the American people with Iraq during his reelection to actually catch Osama.

about that...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/...l?iref=24hours
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-senate-report

[Eviscero]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

I guess you admit then that Obama inherited Bush's devastated economy.