Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[Machismo]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

No, Bush had called off the tasking directed at Bin Laden in the first weeks of 2002. There was almost no intelligence assets looking for Bin Laden. He was made famous by saying he didn't care where Bin Laden was. His eyes were on Iraq. When Obama took office, he made a concerted effort to actually find Bin Laden. He had tasking shifted back towards Afghanistan and Pakistan. You are very poorly informed.

[Espe]

Are we talking about the same Bush who basically halted all attempts to go after Osama because he wanted to quell his vendetta boner towards Saddam?

"Mission Accomplished"

Why anyone in their right minds would vote for a GOP candidate is beyond me.

Maybe the answer is in my question itself

[Zantos]

Obviously I don't think so but you're the one not voting.. have you done your part?

Yup. Im showing them I am not pleased with the system and it needs to be changed by not taking part. The more people they see not taking part, the more they will think about change and reform to get people to vote and get them in on the system. If they have high numbers of people voting, they wont see a problem. Why would they? People are voting.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Minorities should vote for whomever they like. However, since the GOP had a clear racist image to overcome, it's not exactly a shock that they are having problems getting minorities to jump on board. The birther movement was based off of blind political partisanship and/or racism. The fear of border security is based off of xenophobia. The South, where racism and it's impacts are felt the hardest... is a GOP stronghold.

Take it from a Black man who has lived in the North, in the South, under Dem rule, under Repub rule, voted Dem, voted Repub.

Both parties are racist in their own way.

The terrible thing is that currently only one of these parties is having to answer for it.

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These arguments bother me because they fail at nuance. For instance, completely ignoring the affect of the state government on the city, for instance.

So the answer to my question would be: No.

Ok, moving on.

[Felya]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

Convenient Bush plan that took a decade to find and not be in the caves as Bush claimed. Totally Bush... that's his brilliance...

[mvaliz]

It's a sad thing when Putin is doing what our media ought, if they weren't completely corrupt.

Jesus christ, did you just endorse a dispicable dictator who supresses freedom of speech!?

Please GTFO of this country then and go live there. You'll be crying like a baby to get your ass back here...

[Lenonis]

It's not just the attempt, it's also how ham-fisted and generally lazy they are. It's like the right wing nutjobs had all the wind knocked out from under their sails.

I think it's because we're at the point where even right wing folks who aren't the complete alt-right nutjobs simply can't defend Trump anymore, so their best tactic is to try to make them equally bad so they can still vote Trump without too much internal angst.

I posted a fairly long rant on my facebook the other day about how I totally get single issue or policy voters who vote for party over candidate. And I also get anti-candidate voters who vote against a candidate even if they don't like the person they are voting for.

But at this point I simply don't understand anyone who actually defends Trump. As a person, as a candidate....really anything. I just don't get it. "Hillary is worse" fine. I get it -- I don't agree, but I get it. But "Trump is actually a great candidate and a fantastic person"....what? WHAT? Boggles my mind.

[Kallisto]

"Mission Accomplished"

Why anyone in their right minds would vote for a GOP candidate is beyond me.

Maybe the answer is in my question itself

To be fair about that sign. It was more to do with the mission for the carrier (The longest in US history at the time) was finally over and was actually going to return home.

[Machismo]

Wrong. They were far more fuel efficient.

http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e.../?page_id=1150



http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/06/04...stry/id=58056/

I said they were not ONLY more fuel efficient, they were also higher quality. I was agreeing with you.

[Espe]

No, Bush had called off the tasking directed at Bin Laden in the first weeks of 2002. There was almost no intelligence assets looking for Bin Laden. He was made famous by saying he didn't care where Bin Laden was. His eyes were on Iraq. When Obama took office, he made a concerted effort to actually find Bin Laden. He had tasking shifted back towards Afghanistan and Pakistan. You are very poorly informed.

Either that or willfully, obstinately ignorant, like a child sticking their fingers in their ears during a tantrum pretending not to hear facts and logic.

[Sky High]

Convenient Bush plan that took decades to find and not be in the caves as Bush claimed. Totally Bush... that's his brilliance...

bush could have captured Osama as far back as 01 but nope! let him get away.

[Lenonis]

shhhHHHH don't bring the bane of all internet discourse into this!

Well it's really frustrating. Especially because one of the issues Chicago is having is some serious fighting between the governor (of Illinois) and the mayor (of Chicago) especially over funding of schools and mass transit. The governor is basically trying to starve Chicago of money to make Chicago look bad and I suspect try to force Rahm out in hopes of (maybe?) getting a Republican in charge.

[DeadmanWalking]

Not surprising. Bush got Osama, not Obama. It was Bush's policies and military strategy that did it. Time simply dictated Obama was in office when those plans finally reached their fruition. It wasn't because Obama was anything other than the inheritor of someone else's hard work. What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

Sorry but your historical rewrite doesn't stand up to facts. Obama has to make a very difficult decision to send troops across the sovereign border of a country who didn't want us in there which could of severed our supply lines to our soldiers in the field. Agents in the field pretending to be healthcare workers for polio investigated the scene hours before to make the call that Osama was present based on a guard throwing money at some kids who lost a ball over osamas wall instead of getting the ball back to him. Your ignorance and bias is not fact and knowledge.

[Machismo]

Take it from a Black man who has lived in the North, in the South, under Dem rule, under Repub rule, voted Dem, voted Repub.

Both parties are racist in their own way.

The terrible thing is that currently only one of these parties is having to answer for it.

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So the answer to my question would be: No.

Ok, moving on.

I never said people in both parties weren't racist. The Republicans have a racist image, and it is deserved. Maybe they just really suck at marketing themselves. Maybe they need to stop opening their mouths and saying stupid shit.

[alexw]

Minorities should vote for whomever they like. However, since the GOP had a clear racist image to overcome, it's not exactly a shock that they are having problems getting minorities to jump on board. The birther movement was based off of blind political partisanship and/or racism. The fear of border security is based off of xenophobia. The South, where racism and it's impacts are felt the hardest... is a GOP stronghold.

Its pretty obvious that the racism of the republican party is the biggest turn off for minorities. Most republicans won't admit it exists though, they are just in outright denial. Its like with trump and how they absolutely deny the racist things he's said are racist. But until they own up to it they won't change and will continue to get few if any votes from non-whites.

[Machismo]

Either that or willfully, obstinately ignorant, like a child sticking their fingers in their ears during a tantrum pretending not to hear facts and logic.

My guess is that he was reading about something on a rightwing site, talking about the wonders of torture, and how it gotr Bin Laden... and went from there.

[Felya]

It's a sad thing when Putin is doing what our media ought, if they weren't completely corrupt. Watch Citizen Kane Rosebud.

You should... you have a severe screwed perception of it...

Except it wasn't a beat down. It was a ignorant loser lying.. much like I see here.

Yeah, it was a beat down. The above is pretty much "I concede" from the sort of person to insult random people on the Internet.

[Lenonis]

What has Obama done that was worthwhile? Nothing!

Any claim that ANY president has done nothing while in office is so obviously false it's not worthwhile doing anything other than pointing and laughing.

Even Bush, the hated Bush, did the Medicare part D expansion which is super popular, amongst other achievements.

[May90]

Take it from a Black man who has lived in the North, in the South, under Dem rule, under Repub rule, voted Dem, voted Repub.

Both parties are racist in their own way.

The terrible thing is that currently only one of these parties is having to answer for it.

Your argument is irrelevant to the topic anyway. This isn't a contest between two parties, this is a contest between two (actually more, but whatever) persons. You don't have to favor Democrats to see that Trump has nothing to offer to minorities, unlike Hillary who speaks on behalf of supporting them regularly and has proposed policies that are aimed at improving their lives. You can disagree with those policies, but you can't disagree with the fact that Trump has said nothing of substance on the topic of supporting minorities. Take your pick!

[TrumpIsPresident]

I never said people in both parties weren't racist. The Republicans have a racist image, and it is deserved. Maybe they just really suck at marketing themselves. Maybe they need to stop opening their mouths and saying stupid shit.

Well I hope I live to see the day when the Democratic Party has to answer for its vast and institutionalized racial crimes.