Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[Lenonis]

I'm not watching it because I can't stand to hear either of them speak for any length of time, but let me give a preview of tomorrow's headlines for those who just can't wait.

"Hillary is Clear Winner of Final Debate"

Now it is likely true that she will be the winner as Trump is absolutely awful, but that's just winning by default. Even if she had an opponent who could string together a coherent sentence and match her point for point, her obedient drones in the news media would make sure such an impression never made it to the casual political observer.

I find it interesting you come into a thread about the debate which you declare you didn't watch and then just try a really really awkward attempt to poison the well to try to negate any positive discussion of Hillary's performance.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Only problem is that the GOP will ALSO have to stop being racist. Because even if I concede that the Democratic party is racists as a policy platform (which I don't) you still have issues in the GOP that far outweigh the Dems.

And that's just talking about blacks -- which is the only minority you are talking about.

GOP is answering for it and has been for over a decade.

DNC is not but hopefully soon will.

However, if you cant recognize racism because its behind the party you support then you'll never be part of the solution to it.

And that's fine, I'm not asking you to champion anything.

[May90]

Its based off decades of lumping legions of vulnerable needy people together in a single skin-color-defined group, promising them the world, then ignoring them until next election.

That single skin-color-defined group is doing better nowadays than, pretty much, at any other point of American history. Or did you expect them to be bathing in gold by now?

[Kallisto]

Sanders was a Democrat politician... /kappa Not to mention that your claim isn't based on anything but your personal bias.

Funny thing is for these "Anti clinton vote sanders or I'm going to stay home." types is that deals are already in place to which if the Democrats get a majority in the Senate then Sanders pretty much has one of if not the top job with being the Chair of the Budget committee.

[alexw]

Except some people actually think the country is going to hell...in some cases literally if you count the religious right.

As I said before, I understand why people think why they do, I just don't agree with it.

Well Clinton is supposedly a demon summoned from the pits of hell. No really.....

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...-clinton-demon

[Lenonis]

However, if you cant recognize racism because its behind the party you support then you'll never be part of the solution to it.

I'll admit there are racists in the democratic party. Where I struggle is the narrative that the democratic party has deliberate policy crafted to keep blacks (the only minority you are talking about) in poverty so they can keep giving them free stuff so they keep voting democratic.

That requires significant more proof than a tin-foil hat worthy conspiracy. Mind you, you are asserting that it's just blacks, not the poor. Just poor blacks (the only minority you are talking about).

[Espe]

GOP is answering for it and has been for over a decade.

Their party platform is literally anti-women, anti-gay, anti-science, anti-education, anti-poor, anti-minority. Their presidential candidate opened his campaign with "Mexicans are rapists, we're gonna make em build us a wall. It's gonna be the best wall. It's gonna be yuuuuge."

Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it. You're cut off from the kool-aid.

[Lenonis]

Well Clinton is supposedly a demon summoned from the pits of hell. No really.....

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...-clinton-demon

My parents are about as fringy conservative religious as they come and they won't even go that far. They go right up to that line, however.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Only problem is that the GOP will ALSO have to stop being racist. Because even if I concede that the Democratic party is racists as a policy platform (which I don't) you still have issues in the GOP that far outweigh the Dems.

And that's just talking about blacks -- which is the only minority you are talking about.

GOP is more than likely finished my friend. What will be interesting is what comes out of it. What I'm hoping for is a flight of intellectual conservatives to the Libertarians and that the white identity voters will be so dispirited with Trump's demise they will just stop voting all together. That is a bit pie in the sky though so I'm just folding my arms and hoping for the best at this point.

[Felya]

Times change.

Used to be able to own slaves, now you cant.
Used to be able to oppress gays, now you cant.
Used to be able to dump poisons into the water supply, now you cant.
Used to be able to put kids in factories, now you cant.

Right now Democrats are able to be racist, but there will come a day when they cant. (hopefully)

You have not shown a single reason for this. You have set uneven expectations that are based on majority of minorities (50%+ minorities) instead of actual demographics in Democrat states. Which isn't even that indicative of anything, as I live in Seattle, with a republican mayor and just 10 miles north is Everest, with a socialist governor. You need to look at policy and realize that when you point at pension and unions, you are actually talking about worker compensation. If you actually bother to compare them to Mexico and to China, you should see that not only do these corporations take their manufacturing to cheaper labor. But, they skirt the law to avoid paying taxes, that prevent things like reeducation and helping new industry.

You are shooting your self in the foot, then blaming racist democrats for trying to take your gun. It makes no sense...

[Lenonis]

Their party platform is literally anti-women, anti-gay, anti-science, anti-education, anti-poor, anti-minority. Their presidential candidate opened his campaign with "Mexicans are rapists, we're gonna make em build us a wall. It's gonna be the best wall. It's gonna be yuuuuge."

Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it. You're cut off from the kool-aid.

Zombergy is only talking about blacks. It's pretty obvious as this point given his narrative.

[Shadowmelded]

Funny thing is for these "Anti clinton vote sanders or I'm going to stay home." types is that deals are already in place to which if the Democrats get a majority in the Senate then Sanders pretty much has one of if not the top job with being the Chair of the Budget committee.

It's a misdirect, Zombergy is one of the furthest right wingers on these boards. He's just hoping he'll split the vote.

[Lenonis]

GOP is more than likely finished my friend. What will be interesting is what comes out of it. What I'm hoping for is a flight of intellectual conservatives to the Libertarians and that the white identity voters will be so dispirited with Trump's demise they will just stop voting all together. That is a bit pie in the sky though so I'm just folding my arms and hoping for the best at this point.

I give it one more election cycle.

Watch the GOP throw Trump under the bus and a re-hash of the "not conservative enough" lines. I think they need one more thrashing at the federal level before they get it.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

I find it interesting you come into a thread about the debate which you declare you didn't watch and then just try a really really awkward attempt to poison the well to try to negate any positive discussion of Hillary's performance.

I've nothing but contempt for her person and her beliefs. It's not my job to carry water for her. I'm not a journalist. I've no obligation to present an unbiased accounting of the facts. Not that the media lives up to that either, but I digress.

[Kallisto]

It's a misdirect, Zombergy is one of the furthest right wingers on these boards. He's just hoping he'll split the vote.

It's hard to figure out where he is at times. Some points he is in complete far right mode, other times he seems almost like a Bernie or Bust type.

[NED funded]

I know this have no validity, but Hillary Clinton is winning the Breitbart post-debate poll.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...ential-debate/

[ArguesWithStrangers]

I give it one more election cycle.

Watch the GOP throw Trump under the bus and a re-hash of the "not conservative enough" lines. I think they need one more thrashing at the federal level before they get it.

We shall see.

[Lenonis]

On an unrelated note do we have agreement from both sides that Wallace was the best moderator of the three? (Excluding opinions about whether moderators should fact check or not).

I liked him repeatedly dropping the hammer on the audience.

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I've nothing but contempt for her person and her beliefs. It's not my job to carry water for her. I'm not a journalist. I've no obligation to present an unbiased accounting of the facts. Not that the media lives up to that either, but I digress.

Well...at least I can give you props for being honest about your bias?

[Chain Chungus]

Clearly Trump is actually Putin's Manchurian Candidate. His over-the-top, foaming adoration for Putin was very obvious. Especially when he gets caught red-handed having involvement in computer crime and panics, snorts his cocaine higher up, and then proceeds to ramble out a bunch of memorized sound bites.

Trump is a traitor, and supporting him makes that person an accomplice to a traitor. Good job helping Putin take over the US, traitors.

[Kallisto]

They're already saying the same shit this time around that they said the last 2 cycles. We'll be back bigger and better with a tremendous candidate... and then they keep giving us the candidates they do.

To be fair the only thing that stopped them this time around was their leadership not being able to tell the non Trump/Cruz (Because Cruz is almost as disliked by the republicans) to drop out and stop splitting the votes. They had what 13 at some point all taking votes from each other essentially letting Trump slip in even when he was getting less than 50% of the votes.