Final Presidential Debate - October 19, 2016

[Asiwassaying]

How can anyone even know who won? I thought this was about interviewing our potential next leader and getting direct answers to our concerns.

IMO, they both lost me.

[bmjclark]

Well, i think that was the final nail in the coffin of trumps campaign.

[Arterus]

I'm going to take an infraction and tell you to go fuck yourself.

As a minority in this country, I have observed, first hand, over my 40+ years of living, just how Republicans/Conservatives treat minorities. Sure, you can't blanket everyone in a group with exactly the same coat of paint, but the general platform and actions of the Republican party has been anything but a "baseless scam". Republicans have EARNED how they are regarded by minorities precisely because of how they treat them and how they determine policy in regards to them.

So again GO FUCK YOURSELF with your bullshit claim of scams. Likely you're just a wannabe Hooked trying to rile people up. Well you got your wish.

Making light of how minorities are treated is easy when you aren't the one putting up with it, but when you're the person under fire, when you're the person who is looked at as "less then", when you lose your job for no other reason than you are different, are physically assaulted or harassed for no other reason than you are different, have your friggin home BURNED TO THE FUCKING GROUND because some motherfucker didn't like the color of your skin or that the person you're in love with has the same plumbing as you, that's not a scam. That's backwards thinking neanderthals with the nerve to try and claim some sort of moral superiority. And which party houses the bulk of these fucktards? The Republican party.

So, you achieved your goal. You "triggered" someone. But I'll be damned if I just sit and ignore a comment claiming that "how "Republicans treat minorities" is a baseless scam of manufactured outrage" when I've fucking LIVED it. I've got the scars to fucking prove it. Maybe you think its funny, that its a big joke. Well it's not. Its peoples lives. And if you think that's a joke than what the fuck kind of person are you?

Please, get off your high horse. Do you think you are the only person to have experienced discrimination? Do you think you are the only person to experience racism for the color of their skin? You claim that you don't want special treatment, but look at you. You are acting like racism exists as it did in the earlier half of the century.

Because one party calls for border security, having people actually vetted and approved to properly come into this country like thousands of others waiting patiently to do so. That is not racism, that is your own failure to understand that you, or anyone else is not special. You follow the law, and enforce it, or why even bother having it? Forget the implications for safety and contribution to the country where you live.

Please tell me, has inner city crime fallen? What has 8 years of a democrat done for the real needy in this country? Nothing. You have ever inflating costs of healthcare, just this year my premium went up $100/mo. But hey, go ahead vote for the candidate who calls inner city children super predators that need to be brought to heel. Go ahead and vote for the candidate that wants you to compare her to your Abuela.

When is the last time you have experienced racism like you are claiming? I don't know where you live but in any developed part of this country racism on that level has not existed for years. You are much more likely to get your house burned down or shot living in one of the low income ghettos that Obama has neglected to even do anything to improve.

But hey, go get triggered if you want. If hearing something you don't agree with makes you that upset I think you need to take a long look at your life. I suggest you do some actual research into what has been happening for minorities and the middle class for the past three decades and come back a more humble person. Or you can just keep voting D down the line and let them take advantage of you.

[caervek]

Well, i think that was the final nail in the coffin of trumps campaign.

It hardly matters, being happy to get Clinton over Trump is like being happy that your cancer has cured your aids...

[Asiwassaying]

It hardly matters, being happy to get Clinton over Trump is like being happy that your cancer has cured your aids...

"But cancer sucks so much worse than aids guys! Look at how much cancer sucks. If you don't choose aids then you hate your body"

- Typical partisan argument.

And yes, it goes both ways.

[rogueMatthias]

I'll just leave this link here:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/a-new-debate-format

LOL love it. No matter who wins this election, people really need to take some time to reflect on how this election was handled by the media and by both parties. It's just become a huge farce and a shit storm of embarrassment on everybody's side. I feel politics really are becoming more and more irrelevant in the whole affair.

[Wyrt]

"But cancer sucks so much worse than aids guys! Look at how much cancer sucks. If you don't choose aids then you hate your body"

- Typical partisan argument.

And yes, it goes both ways.

Well, depending on the type of cancer you can get treated and be cancer free. AIDS is forever.

[Orbitus]

You have someone who is a criminal and shouldn't even be on the ballot vs someone who has been responsible for the equivalent of a small country for most of his life, which is flourishing and will continue flourishing thanks to him.

In what fucking reality is Trump's company "flourishing"? He has had 6 fucking bankruptcies, 3 or 4 casinos close, over a dozen failures of companies that he just ate like Trump steaks and vodka. Not to mention he has had a couple of years where he lost almost a $1 billion like in 95 and last year.

Also she isn't a criminal. She hasn't been convicted of anything and Trump is closer to going to jail than she is.

[Deleted]

This debate was an utter disaster for Trump. Good heavens.

his inexperience really shows in debates! he can't keep calm, he can't take it when Hillary has a dig at him, and his really cannot talk about any policy, it really showed on questions like the economic one. Hillary actually talked about policy and what she intends to do, Trump when on a rant about Saudi Arabia and some other nonsense, and then just said he's going to create tremendous jobs, and the GDP will grow tremendously :\

note: im not criticizing or defending anyones economic plan, just how they handled that question at the debate.

and that pro putin, anti abortion talk will surely tank him in the polls?

[Blobfish]

If I was voting in the US elections, today's debate would not change my intentions.
Nothing new was said today that hasn't been said before.

Trump is offering concrete radical steps to change the status quo, whereas Clinton is
promising to improve the current system.

Neither of them will probably do much of what they promise if elected, because
the establishment will not allow it.

Trump has many rough edges, but perhaps is worth the risk.

[Machismo]

Approved racism/bigotry/sexism/etc are forms of racism/bigotry/sexism/etc that are currently acceptable to Left aligned persons.

Its any sort of hatred against Whites, against Israelis, against Christians, against Republicans, straight males, so on.

Its all the underline concepts of having hate for somebody based on characteristics that you don't like or agree with but without any of the negative stigma that accompanies other similar forms of hate.

Its approved hate.

No, there is no such thing as approved racism. This is a symptom of the victim mentality, people wanting to feel like the world is against them. They need to stop feeling sorry for themselves, and take responsibility for their lives.

Democrats hate Republicans, and Republicans hate Democrats. It shows the power of the media and political propaganda, as well as the willful ignorance of the majority of Americans.

I don't know anyone who hates Israelis. That's not to say there aren't plenty of people opposed to the actions of the Israeli government, which is practicing systematic oppression on an indigenous population. I feel the same way about Iranians, I have nothing against them, but their government sucks balls.

Christians are not persecuted in this country, end of fucking story. The hatred towards Christians is based off their own attempts to force their religious beliefs onto others (gay marriage, taking over public space with their imagery, whilst trying to limit the same from other religions).

Straight males are not victims... just stop.

[Felya]

If I was voting in the US elections, today's debate would not change my intentions.
Nothing new was said today that hasn't been said before.

Trump is offering concrete radical steps to change the status quo, whereas Clinton is
promising to improve the current system.

Neither of them will probably do much of what they promise if elected, because
the establishment will not allow it.

Trump has many rough edges, but perhaps is worth the risk.

Trump didn't say a single "concrete" thing the whole debate. I'm not sure what you were watching...

[Ausr]

Trump didn't say a single "concrete" thing the whole debate. I'm not sure what you were watching...

Yeah, some of these types of responses are just like "the fuck debate were you watching to make that conclusion?"

[Flarelaine]

If I was voting in the US elections, today's debate would not change my intentions.
Nothing new was said today that hasn't been said before.

But then, no one was playing for Trump diehards. Trump wasn't because he doesn't need to and Hillary just knows they work like you just described. Whoever can be scared away from Trump by his antics has long been already.

[Felya]

You have someone who is a criminal and shouldn't even be on the ballot vs someone who has been responsible for the equivalent of a small country for most of his life, which is flourishing and will continue flourishing thanks to him.

How is he flourishing? Even during the last year he had to restructure loans for property he purchased. His whole thing about not paying taxes, is over a billion dollar loss. With his excuse being that there was no one there to change laws to stop him? You do know that the amount of wealth he had at the start, would have resulted in higher gains if he put all his money in the Dow during the 80s and then did nothing?

Keep talking about Hillary the criminal, while Trump explicitly tells you that the only thing stopping him from ripping off the country more than he has, was law he would be in charge of. Did Trump make a point to say that he is just like evil Hillary donors in both of last debates? Did Trump respond to intelligence information that Russia is aiding ISIS in Syria, with claims that Russia is doing the smart thing? I know it's easy to ignore what Trump's opponents tell you, but at least listen to Trump. How did you like his rational of using his Trump Foundation charity money to pay off legal fees, was justified because the legal fees ended up paying for good things. The best things... like a picture of him self...

So rich and so flourishing, that he needs to lie to not release his taxes. Trump has already made history, by being the first presidential candidate to not release his taxes, sense George Romney made a point of emphasizing the importance of transparency from candidates.

[DeadmanWalking]

The vast majority of occurrence of the things you detailed can be attributed to the KKK.

What part built and housed the KKK?

The Democratic Party.

Have anything to say about that?

When the Civil Rights act was signed into law the KKK and like minded democrats, called dixiecrats, left the Democrat party in droves. They abandoned the democrat party when the civil rights act was signed into law and were scooped up by the Republican party who felt that doing so would assure them the white vote and the presidency for at least 60 years. They became the basis of the conservative party, whose original platform was segregation in schools and then when that failed became Abortion. The North use to be predominately Republican and the South use to be democratic, but after the civil rights act was signed into law the people switched parties, the parties didn't switch states. There was no 'great house swap' where racist democrats moved north and non-racist republicans moved south. The people switched parties in the 60's and took their racism with them. The Republicans of today are the children of the dixiecrats who left the democratic party in the 60's.

You can stop playing the white victim card, it is very unbecoming. It just shows a weakness of character and an inability to resolve the issues you face without claiming a victimcard. If you were born a different color you would be claiming that victim card and you wouldn't give two shits about white victimhood. I'm a white guy but I am never going to sink so low as to try and pretend that I am being victimized because of the color of my skin. It is really really pathetic.

[Felya]

Yeah, some of these types of responses are just like "the fuck debate were you watching to make that conclusion?"

Because they didn't watch the debate and are responding to what they think happened. They didn't hear Trump's defending Putin for supporting ISIS to the point that Hillary called him Putin's puppet and like on que Trump literally said "America is stupid, Putin is smarter". Never for a second understanding what that means about the support he is getting from Putin. Never did it dawn on him during the entire outburst, that he was saying Putin's support might be because Putin wants a weaker America.

One of the best parts was the crowd reaction to Trump's 'I am the best with women, no one better'... almost as good as his 'I'm gentleman' in the second debate.

[Aggrophobic]

Chris Wallace did a great job though.
You'd think that someone from fox would give Trump an easy ride and pick on Clinton but he gave them both really cool questions.

[DeadmanWalking]

How is he flourishing? Even during the last year he had to restructure loans for property he purchased. His whole thing about not paying taxes, is over a billion dollar loss. With his excuse being that there was no one there to change laws to stop him? You do know that the amount of wealth he had at the start, would have resulted in higher gains if he put all his money in the Dow during the 80s and then did nothing?

Keep talking about Hillary the criminal, while Trump explicitly tells you that the only thing stopping him from ripping off the country more than he has, was law he would be in charge of. Did Trump make a point to say that he is just like evil Hillary donors in both of last debates? Did Trump respond to intelligence information that Russia is aiding ISIS in Syria, with claims that Russia is doing the smart thing? I know it's easy to ignore what Trump's opponents tell you, but at least listen to Trump. How did you like his rational of using his Trump Foundation charity money to pay off legal fees, was justified because the legal fees ended up paying for good things. The best things... like a picture of him self...

So rich and so flourishing, that he needs to lie to not release his taxes. Trump has already made history, by being the first presidential candidate to not release his taxes, sense George Romney made a point of emphasizing the importance of transparency from candidates.

Trump will go down in history as how to not run for president of the united states. You have to have a ground game to register voters. You have to spend money on advertisement. You can't spend 50 years living a rockstar billionaire playboy who treats women like they are cock warmers. You have to release your taxes so your opponent can't drum on your head the whole time. If you have skeletons in your closet don't run for office. Don't tell americans that America sucks. Dont spend your convention weaving a tapestry of doom and gloom. Don't claim the elections are rigged just because you are losing. Don't incite violence by talking about how you wish you could beat people up. You need to prepare for debates, you can't wing them. You need to have control over your mouth, you need to be able to not react to you first thought. You need the washington advertisement men. You need to know policy. You need to know what is going on in the world.

I could go on forever about all the things donald failed to do.

[Flarelaine]

Trump will go down in history as how to not run for president of the united states. You have to have a ground game to register voters. You have to spend money on advertisement. You can't spend 50 years living a rockstar billionaire playboy who treats women like they are cock warmers. You have to release your taxes so your opponent can't drum on your head the whole time. If you have skeletons in your closet don't run for office. Don't tell americans that America sucks. Dont spend your convention weaving a tapestry of doom and gloom. Don't claim the elections are rigged just because you are losing. Don't incite violence by talking about how you wish you could beat people up. You need to prepare for debates, you can't wing them. You need to have control over your mouth, you need to be able to not react to you first thought. You need the washington advertisement men. You need to know policy. You need to know what is going on in the world.

I could go on forever about all the things donald failed to do.

... and despite all that, we're looking at the forecast of a decent victory, when it should be a bloodbath with this guy running.