Kickass torrents defense: Torrents are not copyrighted content, US has no case.

[WintersLegion]

Even if it is many, there are still a whole lot that simply don't want to pay anything and would just continue using torrent sites.

Either way I should state that I do agree with you. Even if it won't fix the problem, it doesn't make it a bad idea. Guaranteed a lot of people would use the service you described.

What's always gotten me is the peoples defense about pirating when they say well they wouldn't of bought it anyways so why not pirate it.

[Azadina]

True. Like I said, I love the idea of the service. I just don't think it would put a significant dent in the piracy issue.

Also, getting all of the different networks and movie dev companies to sign on? Highly unlikely. I imagine it would have been done already if it were easy.

True, but then it's their loss. Literally.

[Axphism]

What's always gotten me is the peoples defense about pirating when they say well they wouldn't of bought it anyways so why not pirate it.

Agreed. That's probably one of the worst 'excuses'.

[Tackhisis]

There is usually a special clause invented for that: "content allowing unambiguous identification of a copyrighted content", targeted at Torrent, FlyDC and similar protocols.

[Axphism]

True, but then it's their loss. Literally.

Doesn't that just circle back around to the root of the problem though? Now this service, that is supposed to be there for convenience and ease, isn't as convenient or easy because "x% of companies" don't sign on? I feel like that would just make those supporters have to pirate again.

[Azadina]

Doesn't that just circle back around to the root of the problem though? Now this service, that is supposed to be there for convenience and ease, isn't as convenient or easy because "x% of companies" don't sign on? I feel like that would just make those supporters have to pirate again.

Yes, and you can partially point a finger at the companies wanting to be obtuse, screwing it for everyone. The rest goes to the ones pirating.

[Axphism]

Yes, and you can partially point a finger at the companies wanting to be obtuse, screwing it for everyone. The rest goes to the ones pirating.

Oh absolutely. I hope I wasn't making it seem like I was sticking up for piracy. Convenient or not, if you want to use a product it should be purchased.

[Wikko]

EU Court of Justice ruled in a similar case that it isnt copyright infringement to give someone links etc to copyrighted material as an individual. They then also ruled that if it's done with business in mind then it becomes illegal. KAT would probably be seen as a business that profits from such services.

[May90]

I don't agree with you, but I won't say you're wrong, if that makes sense. My gut tells me most people that pirate games/songs/software/movies/tv shows do it because it's convenient and free. While I know there are people like you out there, I don't believe you're in the majority.

That entire paragraph said, I could be 100% wrong. I just have no way of actually knowing.

Hard to say. I know quite a few people like me in this regard. And not just with movies, with books too: it is often easier to download a physics book from a site, than search online shops for the right edition. Although, I think, Amazon Kindle has done a good job recently to remedy the issue, and I now mostly buy books from them - unless the book is missing.

With services like Youtube or Wiki offering a lot of content for free, commercial services really should step up their game and offer something attractive, like Steam did in the world of video games.

[Axphism]

EU Court of Justice ruled in a similar case that it isnt copyright infringement to give someone links etc to copyrighted material as an individual. They then also ruled that if it's done with business in mind then it becomes illegal. KAT would probably be seen as a business that profits from such services.

I wonder if KAT is legally responsible for monitoring which torrents may or may not contain copyrighted material, since it is open to the public. I bring this up because as someone already stated in this thread, not all .torrents track illegal content. I've shared the game I am working on personally with friends and family via torrent.

[Puri]

Isn't that the defense those sites user since ever, and since ever it failed?
Same happened to sites in the early internet where they just put mp3 or illegal porn's image links, but the files where hosted on a completely different server.

[Axphism]

Isn't that the defense those sites user since ever, and since ever it failed?
Same happened to sites in the early internet where they just put mp3 or illegal porn's image links, but the files where hosted on a completely different server.

That's what made all the warez sites so hard to take down.

[zenkai]

Agreed. That's probably one of the worst 'excuses'.

It's not an argument without merit, I can see it going both ways.

[Axphism]

It's not an argument without merit, I can see it going both ways.

Nah. If it's good enough for you to download and use, it must have some sort of dollar value.

[Pachycrocuta]

"People recording songs from the radio onto those evil cassette tapes or movies off the TV on those evil VHS tapes will bankrupt and destroy the music and movie/tv industries!"

[McFuu]

That title is a bit misleading. They aren't arguing that torrents can't contain copy right material. They are arguing that a torrent isn't copyrighted and is simply a file format. Kickass torrents doesn't host these either, they are a search engine.

[Wikko]

That title is a bit misleading. They aren't arguing that torrents can't contain copy right material. They are arguing that a torrent isn't copyrighted and is simply a file format. Kickass torrents doesn't host these either, they are a search engine.

But KAT still hosts the links to those torrents, even though the physical torrents arent on their site. So the question becomes if that's legal or not. Otherwise everyone could sue Google for copyright infringement

[zenkai]

Nah. If it's good enough for you to download and use, it must have some sort of dollar value.

Everything has a dollar value.

Would an average person buy an Adam Sandler movie on blueray for $30, probably not

Would an average Person buy an Adam Sandler movie for $2, perhaps.

Would an average Person take the Adam Sandler movie for free? Sure, why not.


This doesn't mean your argument isn't true either

I am going to buy an Adam Sandler movie , but wait I can get it for free, I think I will download it instead.


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One thing you kids are lucky on is you don't have to run to the mall and pay $15 ($26.59 if you factor inflation) to buy a CD with one good song on it, and that was 25 years ago, now you can buy the song you want at dollar a pop, all thanks to pirates.

[apepi]

That title is a bit misleading. They aren't arguing that torrents can't contain copy right material. They are arguing that a torrent isn't copyrighted and is simply a file format. Kickass torrents doesn't host these either, they are a search engine.

Brb while I copyright the format, all the internets monies shall be mine!

[Axphism]

Everything has a dollar value.

Would an average person buy an Adam Sandler movie on blueray for $30, probably not

Would an average Person buy an Adam Sandler movie for $2, perhaps.

Would an average Person take the Adam Sandler movie for free? Sure, why not.


This doesn't mean your argument isn't true either

I am going to buy an Adam Sandler movie , but wait I can get it for free, I think I will download it instead.


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One thing you kids are lucky on is you don't have to run to the mall and pay $15 ($26.59 if you factor inflation) to buy a CD with one good song on it, and that was 25 years ago, now you can buy the song you want at dollar a pop, all thanks to pirates.

You're right, my point didn't make much sense. All I meant was, it's valuable enough for you to download and use it. If there wasn't another product out there like it, and you couldn't get it for free, odds are you would have bought it. The stance "I had no intention on buying it so the company isn't losing anything by me downloading it" is flawed by itself.

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I do remember having to go to the mall to get a CD for one song, for what it's worth