Kickass torrents defense: Torrents are not copyrighted content, US has no case.

[Knaar]

Im in Quebec and you guys have no idea how freaking hard it is to get good movies/series here.
About a year ago, one somewhat big channel was super proud to announce that we could now watch Game of Throne on their website! (if we had a subscription, which i do!) After looking it up... yep GoT is there. Season 1 ONLY. gg wp.
Or the biggest movie channel, tho they do offer decent content, got one big issue : The movies they put on are always 6 months old (we finaly got Deadpool! 3 weeks ago).

So for me, torrents is the only way i can view movies at the same-ish time everybody in my guild see them so we can talk about it.
Likle many other said here, if there was a platform somewhere to see up-to-date content, i'd pay for it!
Go Torrent go! hopefully they can win that case

[Tackhisis]

"I couldn't buy it, so I stole it." Wow. Such logic.

Any rendering of a copyrighted material violates the exclusive rights of the owner. Torrent files are uniquely identifying such renditions, and therefore they also violate the copyright.

[eluan]

I don't agree with you, but I won't say you're wrong, if that makes sense. My gut tells me most people that pirate games/songs/software/movies/tv shows do it because it's convenient and free. While I know there are people like you out there, I don't believe you're in the majority.

That entire paragraph said, I could be 100% wrong. I just have no way of actually knowing.

If you look at the impact Netflix had on piracy in Australia you would have a way of knowing. Hint: piracy dropped 25% in 8 months.

[Deleted]

"I couldn't buy it, so I stole it." Wow. Such logic.

You know what's even worse logic?

"You got it for free, so you would have obviously paid for it."

[xenogear3]

There is a big war going on to crack down on Torrents.

The ONLY reason internet becomes so successful is because it is "free" (freedom), including no tax shopping online.

Before Torrents, it is newsgroup.
I wonder what is next.

[Hiricine]

Problem is that this is akin to the "I don't sell the drugs, I just tell people where to buy them" defense. Which has failed in the past. But we'll see.

Its another iteration out. Like "I tell people where to go to ask people where to buy drugs".

[Easo]

I have always been fascinated about how far people can go to avoid paying/denying they are doing something illegal.

@Kujako
"I don't sell the drugs, I just tell people where to buy them"

This is literally all it is.

[Deleted]

I have always been fascinated about how far people can go to avoid paying/denying they are doing something illegal.

You mean like, smoking pot and denying you do it, then realizing it got legalized? Or, if you want to go to a Federal level, drinking alcohol and denying you do it, then realizing it got legalized?

Sometimes laws just are asinine, and sometimes that gets pushed in the wrong direction. So, something "being illegal" isn't always a winning argument.

[Arewn]

Problem is that this is akin to the "I don't sell the drugs, I just tell people where to buy them" defense. Which has failed in the past. But we'll see.

The content being downloaded in a torrent isn't necessarily illegal either though. If you decide to freely distribute something you made, you may chose to do so through torrents. Non-copyright infringing material is also distributed. Or in other cases, two (or more) people legally entitled to material may chose to use torrents to transfer the files.
So your analogy doesn't really stand. If I were to attempt to salvage your analogy, it would be more like "I don't sell drugs, I just tell people where to go shopping, but drug dealers also sell their goods there".

[breadisfunny]

If I torrent things I would otherwise never buy, I don't follow the logic that I'm somehow "stealing" anything. Not only does the company still maintain their right to sell the product, but what I've viewed/played is irrelevant as I would have never bought the product under normal circumstances.

Instead, torrenting certain products has caused me to pay for them in the future, or for a future part in a series. There are a few games I've tried from torrenting first, and decided to spend the full amount later to unlock multiplayer access. I see nothing morally wrong with this.

your expected to pay money for that product. it does not matter if it is digital or not. if you don't want to pay money for it that is your problem. you are not entitled to stuff for free. refusing to do so is the equivalent of digital theft since you are not allowed to play the product without paying for it and therefore it is illegal.

no amount of excuses will change that.

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Piracy brings happiness to millions of internet users around the world and doesn't cost anyone a single dime in the long run so where's the harm?

I remember being forced by my English teacher in high school to take an anti-piracy stance for a paper, and even to this day none of the arguments that I had to use seemed to hold any waters. I mean, sure, a composer for whom integrity is important might feel violated that their content is being taken without so much as a transaction taking place but let's be honest, once you are in showbiz you've already sold your soul to the devil.

At this point I'm pretty sure that we are just splitting hairs.

your supposed to pay for those products. they aren't neccesities you won't die if you don't get them. refusing to pay for them is theft.

[dextersmith]

EU Court of Justice ruled in a similar case that it isnt copyright infringement to give someone links etc to copyrighted material as an individual. They then also ruled that if it's done with business in mind then it becomes illegal. KAT would probably be seen as a business that profits from such services.

Then you can argue any site that does anything has business in mind since traffic and popularity generates ad revenue. Why not sue google too or fb if kat has a page?

[Deleted]

Their lawyers are making an interesting approach to this case.



https://torrentfreak.com/kickasstorr...o-case-161018/

Ah yes, the definition technicalities of law. This is why you have lawyers, for better or worse.

[Logwyn]

Many do that because it's too hard to get the shows in a legitimate way in many countries. I happily pay for services like HBO Nordic, because I get to watch the episodes when I want to when they're released, not having to wait a full year for them to appear on TV here.

For cable service in the US atleast there is more money to be made by having you pay 100+ to have a large number of channels for basic package then pay more to have HBO, etc. If people had the ability to just buy the channel(s) you want there isn't as much money to be had....

Its slowly changing though with HBO go and others like it. Its all about advertising dollars etc.

[Deleted]

Then you can argue any site that does anything has business in mind since traffic and popularity generates ad revenue. Why not sue google too or fb if kat has a page?

This might, in part, be why Google has started excluding certain sites from their searches.

[dextersmith]

This might, in part, be why Google has started excluding certain sites from their searches.

They'll still have sites that link to sites that google excludes.

[phitness]

Stopping torrents is such a stupid crusade. If they ever manage to stop people from DLing torrents we will just go back to (and what many people never stopped doing) file hosts with direct DLs.

Not sure how illegal but I have Netflix and I still rather DL shows I intend to watch because I'd rather sort and watch my media using Kodi. So since I pay for and have access to Netflix should I be allowed to DL the shows on there during the time I'm paying for subscription? I guess people are too young to remember making copies of tapes and VHS.

[Powerogue]

I mean I guess that makes sense. In the same way you could abuse Google to look up child porn, and that doesn't make Google liable for what you did with their search engine.

[Deleted]

Problem is that this is akin to the "I don't sell the drugs, I just tell people where to buy them" defense. Which has failed in the past. But we'll see.

Like US and OTAN in Colombia and Afghanistan... and the migrants bullshit in syria.... ?

Remember: USA, russia, uk, france go to syria.. and the bonobos are still alive doing shits after months.

Nice world forces armies here.

[dextersmith]

The content being downloaded in a torrent isn't necessarily illegal either though. If you decide to freely distribute something you made, you may chose to do so through torrents. Non-copyright infringing material is also distributed. Or in other cases, two (or more) people legally entitled to material may chose to use torrents to transfer the files.

Also, people can get digital copies if they own the original, like emulators.

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your expected to pay money for that product. it does not matter if it is digital or not. if you don't want to pay money for it that is your problem. you are not entitled to stuff for free. refusing to do so is the equivalent of digital theft since you are not allowed to play the product without paying for it and therefore it is illegal.

no amount of excuses will change that.

Gifts for you aren't paid for by yourself, lending out nintendo games and dvds weren't illegal either.

[Hitei]

your expected to pay money for that product. it does not matter if it is digital or not. if you don't want to pay money for it that is your problem. you are not entitled to stuff for free. refusing to do so is the equivalent of digital theft since you are not allowed to play the product without paying for it and therefore it is illegal.

no amount of excuses will change that.


your supposed to pay for those products. they aren't neccesities you won't die if you don't get them. refusing to pay for them is theft.

I guess walking into a library, sitting down and reading a book is stealing.