People blindly following the trend should truly not be an argument.
this isnt a "trend" issue, stop saying that
it's about performance
if you're racing a car and you pay and invest in the best possible car and then they ripped out the engine, tossed in a worse one and put the good engine into a car every car expert said(and measured scientifically) wouldnt be great and now you have to invest into that you wouldnt be happy would you?
If they take a spec from top tier to garbage tier after you've invested so much time and effort into it, the proper way to "fix" it is to correct your balance mistake and return the spec to viability ASAP. But Blizzard has almost never had the ability to do that if it doesn't involve Mages.
I don't think it's really all that unreasonable to call it their fault since, you know, they develop the game, broke a spec, and left a ton of people pissed off at the futility of gearing up towards something then having it get shut down by incompetence...So it seems pretty reasonable to want some kind of "refund" but we all know that'll never happen as it would signify Blizzard's admitting they've given up on fixing it/broke something so badly it warrants drastic action. In their mind they were only a little bit off target despite the fact that Outlaw went from the best DPS spec to the worst in the same raid tier.
i never said we should get a full refund, dont put words in my mount and dont try to strawman me, but it is blizzard's fault
they verbatum said, they WILL NOT make the best spec the worst spec because people would feel cheated with their spent artifact points, and yet they did exactly that. and its fine, they fucked up the math, and they're supposedly fixing it. but dont bring trend into this
people who take this game seriously will play what does the most dps, you judging them for it is really backwards.
hell i wouldnt even care if outlaw got nerfed in ST because it's AOE is so good it makes sense, but then someone please explain fire mages.
People who play this game seriously know that shit happens. It's not like it was the first time it happened, nor the last time, but each and every time it happens more people cry louder that Mr Blizzard wronged them and demand instant and personal compensation for their percieved loss of everything valuable in their life.
I'm not saying that Blizzard makes no mistakes, as i play outlaw myself, but this is worse everytime, especially because all the tools and theories raise the expectations and entitlements higher and higher. Like phantastic trailers with mediocre movies. So if people found the time and personal integrity to constructively scrutinize and criticize changes in the game instead of this recurring shitstorms, i wouldn't have to write this post.
I just wish mages would get equality.
What kind of comparison is that? Makes no sense at all.
And what do you even expect Blizzard to do? They clearly saw Outlaw as too strong, which to be fair, around 840ilvls, they were still king in DPS.
But no. How about we take your route, and don't rebalance at all. Who gives two craps about OP and UP specs and classes? Other people are invested in those and we definitely should not upset those poor guys.
It's particularly problematic this time because:
1) Blizzard developers claimed they would not be nerfing specs into the ground in Legion
2) Artifact Power expenditure, despite the catch up mechanic, gives you a sense of additional wasted investment
3) Relics add an additional level of complexity when changing specs, particularly because they get destroyed when swapping meaning you have to go out and farm for additional relics.
4) Gear stat weight distribution being different means some pieces can be outright bad for one spec rather than suboptimal (i.e weighted heavily on one stat that sucks for the spec you end up switching to)
Just because Blizzard doesn't have a good balance track record, doesn't mean people can't bring up the discussion.
What is the point of this post/point? People discuss their wants and needs for a spec on a forum? No way!
What do you expect? Professional level feedback and testing, with dozens of spreadsheets full of info to back up their critical analyses?
Its the same redicilous notion blizzard give off when they suggest they read the forums but get lost in all the data. Dude I'm paying to play THEIR game, I'm not a blizzard developer or community manager on 100k+ salary, shocker I know. They can do their jobs, and if they cant weed out the good info from the trolls wtf are they doing over there monday to friday.
Last edited by shaunika123; 2016-10-21 at 08:27 PM.
I agree with that statement, but you shouldn't really call it "trend", it's a DPS spec and all specs should be balanced in some way, especially if most people are investing much in one and then seeing it getting nerfed to the ground.
Solve of the problem would be having the same AP in all artifacts.