Americans work 25% more than Europeans

[JohnBrown1917]

We're talking about standards of living and you link two things:

1. An article about which nations have the most "clever" students.
2. A Life satisfaction index that includes divorce rates, gender equality in government seats, and climate in their measurements.


Welp, i've been soundly defeated. How "Clever" of you

Sorry, linked the wrong link.
Ment to link quality of life.
https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-li...by_country.jsp

But ye, Nordic countries are always above the US, and the wiki article was one of them.
But its okay, the US does not have to be on top of everything, you guys will always have the best standard for rich people! A shame it comes at the cost of the middle and lower classes, but a lot of countries have that problem.

[DrStiglit]

Is that why you guys have so much more time to play WOW? Damn Id be happy if I would only have to work 40 hour weeks.

I'm an American and I only work 40hrs a week. Is this uncommon in the US? I've never had a job where I had to work more and I may not be rich but I make a decent salary..

[nextormento]

It's mainly the ivory tower mentality that a majority of Euro posters have here.

"Those stupid Americans. Europe is soooooo much better"

"Ivory tower" would be academics thinking they're better than the rabble. Maybe "exceptionalism" suits that though better.
Whatever the case may be, it's matched by American folks topping the chart of thinking they're at the top of every chart.
Not like stereotypes offer much insight though, but I concurr with Spectral that these threads are indeed amusing.

[Reg]

It's not work when you love your job!

Did I say that with a straight enough face to convince my bosses?!

[Deleted]

Don't worry, we'll enjoy our higher average quality of life with your approval.

You wont though. You think theres a magical money fairy that gives you free stuff when you believe hard enough but there is not. Just think about it, even the evilest rich person who hates society and avoids taxes contributes more to society than your average gender studies SJW socialist. So in countries where you punish success and give A for effort, you end up in a situation where theres just no more wealth to "redistribute". Even if you manage to keep it going for a few decades, you're just sacrificing your future.

[StayTuned]

yea I'm so addicted to working. I just love working 50-60 hours a week.

It totally has nothing to do with me having to work that much to afford things my family needs.

No, I just love working sooo much I'm addicted to it.

Fucks sake

[Bulo]

to europe come 3 000 000 refuges thats why from august 2015
they realy dont work

[Tomyris]

You wont though. You think theres a magical money fairy that gives you free stuff when you believe hard enough but there is not. Just think about it, even the evilest rich person who hates society and avoids taxes contributes more to society than your average gender studies SJW socialist. So in countries where you punish success and give A for effort, you end up in a situation where theres just no more wealth to "redistribute". Even if you manage to keep it going for a few decades, you're just sacrificing your future.

This is what you are telling to each other as to avoid wanting the European model for worker's rights and such? One of the purposes of a first world country is to improve the quality of life of its citizens. Of course, it's silly to spend billions on healthcare when you can spend them on drones. And this is just an example of how fucked up the priorities are in this ''civilised'' world. I pay ridiculous amounts of taxes, I want something in return, not just the right to exist, breathe and idolise the 1%.

[draykorinee]

Source please?

There is no source because its made up.

[belfpala]

It's not work when you love your job!

Did I say that with a straight enough face to convince my bosses?!

...you'll had to have worked in a restaurant to get it.

[Deleted]

Work smart not hard.

[Deleted]

This is what you are telling to each other as to avoid wanting the European model for worker's rights and such? One of the purposes of a first world country is to improve the quality of life of its citizens. Of course, it's silly to spend billions on healthcare when you can spend them on drones. And this is just an example of how fucked up the priorities are in this ''civilised'' world. I pay ridiculous amounts of taxes, I want something in return, not just the right to exist, breathe and idolise the 1%.

Well Id rather pay no taxes though aside from stuff I actually need, like the infrastructure. Wasting money on drones or free stuff for welfare leeches is all the same tome and shouldnt be allowed to happen. However studying.. working, so I can get more stuff and get an advantage is something I can get behind. And if this is strongly encouraged, a lot of it is bound to benefit the society as well as new technologies, employees, even taxes.

EU on the other hand rewards failure. If you're useless, you're told that youre still awesome and that you deserve stuff. Those workers for example. If a machine can do your job, you obviously dont deserve anything.. or well at least not more than it costs to buy and maintain that machine.

[Tomyris]

Well Id rather pay no taxes though aside from stuff I actually need, like the infrastructure. Wasting money on drones or free stuff for welfare leeches is all the same tome and shouldnt be allowed to happen. However studying.. working, so I can get more stuff and get an advantage is something I can get behind. And if this is strongly encouraged, a lot of it is bound to benefit the society as well as new technologies, employees, even taxes.

EU on the other hand rewards failure. If you're useless, you're told that youre still awesome and that you deserve stuff. Those workers for example. If a machine can do your job, you obviously dont deserve anything.. or well at least not more than it costs to buy and maintain that machine.

If EU is rewarding failure, than the US should find a way to protect its work force in a way that doesn't have this side effect. It should not be something to give up on just because Eu has not found yet the perfect solution. I do not see this ''rewarding failure'' as a thing but maybe you lived more than me in Europe and seen this in many of its countries.

[apepi]

And I bet you get paid less.

[Baelic]

So Americans spend 25% more time working than Europeans? But are they also 25% more productive?

[Deleted]

If EU is rewarding failure, than the US should find a way to protect its work force in a way that doesn't have this side effect. It should not be something to give up on just because Eu has not found yet the perfect solution. I do not see this ''rewarding failure'' as a thing but maybe you lived more than me in Europe and seen this in many of its countries.

I spent a year in the EU as an exchange student, it was so easy to abuse the system there. I cant speak for all the country nor am I saying its not the case in the US however, I strongly believe that in both case, it shouldn't be. Id rather see resources diverted into research and rewarding success and completely ignore those who are too incompetent or unwilling to help themselves.

[Deleted]

One theory is that Americans work longer hours because their additional effort is more likely to pay off.

Yes. It's that, and not that they'll be fired/disciplined/replaced if they relax. Or y'know, needing to work so much just to have anything approaching a decent quality of life.

Lol.

[Slant]

We're talking about standards of living and you link two things:

1. An article about which nations have the most "clever" students.
2. A Life satisfaction index that includes divorce rates, gender equality in government seats, and climate in their measurements.


Welp, i've been soundly defeated. How "Clever" of you

Yes, well. No proper gun control, no proper healthcare. I think you just lost that argument.

[Spectral]

We're talking about standards of living and you link two things:

1. An article about which nations have the most "clever" students.
2. A Life satisfaction index that includes divorce rates, gender equality in government seats, and climate in their measurements.


Welp, i've been soundly defeated. How "Clever" of you

Obviously you don't realize how much having more women in government improves your life. What are you, some kind of misogynist?

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HAH! Now that statement cries out for some actual evidence to back it up!

Not really - the median income data combined with cost of living data makes it pretty obvious. The median American has much more expendable income, nicer housing, and so on and so forth relative to the median European. This effect is very strongly when looking at the entire EU and remains moderately strong when looking at Western European nations. A couple minor banking and oil countries do better, but the standard bearers like Germany and France have a lot less money available to the median citizen.

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Oh it's much nicer here as for working conditions. I used to live in San Diego, worked 60ish hours a week and it's quite nice not having to do that any longer.

San Diego's more than a little bit of an outlier when it comes to cost of living though. Nice place, but giant pain in the ass, much like most of California.

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American wages are lower than Europe's which translates to needing more hours. Easy to understand why its 25% higher.

People keep making the same ignorant claims over and over in this thread, and it's really weird that people think they know things that are just objectively false. American wages are higher, American productivity is higher, and these things mostly aren't all that close. A part of why Americans work more is actually driven by those higher wages - incentives matter and the incentives are more substantial when the gains are greater.

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And I bet you get paid less.

Who's "you"? If it's Americans, no, we're paid significantly more than Europeans on average. If it's me personally, then it's really no.

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So Americans spend 25% more time working than Europeans? But are they also 25% more productive?

No, more like ~10-20% more productive per hour, depending on the country. Add it up and you can see why American per capita GDP is ~50% greater than the EU's.

[Wikiy]

Who's "you"? If it's Americans, no, we're paid significantly more than Europeans on average. If it's me personally, then it's really no.

What exactly is the point in looking at the salaries when the two places have wildly varying prices for various things?