Light in the darkness – a backlash against bigotry is under way ?

[Tijuana]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hobic-populism



Do you agree with this widely read/shared article on the Guardian?

Is change on the way, finally? We can only hope.

Bigotry is not on the political spectrum, and it certainly isn't "far right". You have zero understanding of how the terms "right" and "left" work in politics if you think this. You are confusing and conflating 40 years of one US political party pandering to minorities and calling the other party bigots, with actual facts and positions of the other party. That is literally the figurative definition of being a sheep.

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Bigots on the left and right led to Trumps popularity in the first place. Which is ironic considering how things he proposes could be considered bigoted. When it comes down to it, bigotry is simply holding individuals or groups to different standards than each other.

Pretty much when I'm left libertarian. Treat everyone the same. Expect the same standards of everyone. Novel concept.

Welcome to the political right. There is nothing left about what you just said. Nothing.

[Grimreaper]

Got an example?
Because the only "tradition" that is in danger in my country is Black Pete, and rightfully so.

How about Christmas.

Yes, christmas celebration is in danger where i live. Local authorities have started making demands that we dont utter the word "christmas" in public, in case we might offend a bystanding immigrant.

Is that fucked up enough for you?

[Belize]

Claims like this are useless unless you either give a location or a source.

I'm sure it's easy enough to find an article on "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". That shit has been going on for years now.

[Deleted]

Do you agree with this widely read/shared article on the Guardian?

Aah the daily Tennisace spam, now with 100% more bans.

Anyway, you should never agree with the Guardian, it's become a bad online journal full of clickbaits, and you fall for them every single time.

[Yriel]

A judge who has to look at the rules made by the lawmakers.
Don't you know how our society works?

I guess thats why saying that Merkel is a bad chancellor is now bordering on hatespeech (and probably will be hatespeech and being censored from social media by the next election). Lawmakers/Politicans are not people i trust with moral judgements since they always think about their personal gains first.

[Andrestrasz]

Well in USA case the right is busy trying to take away rights and trying to amp up discrimination and religious rights while the left is like stop... that kind of just makes the right the bad guys.

ok what kind of rights are they taking away in the US.

(the left wing is going to screw you, check Venezuela left goverment)

[Deleted]

A judge who has to look at the rules made by the lawmakers.
Don't you know how our society works?

It's perfectly legal in some countries to stone adulterers, that's "The Law".

It's just something I like to remind to people which use "The Law" as an argument.

[Independent voter]

NSFW video, adult language, angry Canadian mad over parking space. I think he just got a parking ticket, the camera guy having turned him in. Still no reason to go off. Also it's probably a crime to do this in Canada.

That's a true Canadian accent by the way.

[Ravenblade]

I guess thats why saying that Merkel is a bad chancellor is now bordering on hatespeech (and probably will be hatespeech and being censored from social media by the next election). Lawmakers/Politicans are not people i trust with moral judgements since they always think about their personal gains first.

I have said that literally since years about her I am still here. However from my perspective most hate speech about her isn't really about her politics in general but a subset of policies she's only been supporting for a good 1.5 years. Before that her approval ratings soared and most people wished she would be our "eternal chancellor". People are sometimes fickle yet tend to give positive reviews based on a feel-good situation which has arisen from a political lethargy Germany has been experiencing since the financial crisis (of which Germany benefited hugely might I say), and when something breaks that ostensible peace then they don't react in civil manner. Asking her to be executed, hanged drawn and quartered, burned, crucified, dissolved in acid, damnatio memoriae, shot by a patriotic firing squad, shot by a firing squad part of the Russian army "liberating Germany", assassinated by anyone who feels like it is not civil discourse. There's always someone with loose screws who after getting hyped up enough will try something and declare he "did it for us and Germany". Or in short: You can disagree with her politics but you don't have to be a dick about it namely demand her death like many of our fellow countrymen do on social media. I will tell you this, if Merkel had not said that sentence and never had a change of mind and left the whole refugee crisis to Greece and Italy with traditional German checkbook diplomacy then everything would still be as it was before. She would be everyone's darling. Except for people like me, who've never voted for her in first place, as it always had been.

[DJ117]

The left establishment is afraid of democracy. The people in the West want leaders will balls, only the Right provides such people.

[Ravenblade]

The left establishment is afraid of democracy. The people in the West want leaders will balls, only the Right provides such people.

You don't know what peculiar groups are located on the right side of spectrum either then. There are groups who openly reject democracy too.

[sethman75]

You don't know what peculiar groups are located on the right side of spectrum either then. There are groups who openly reject democracy too.

Bullshit. The right philosophy is based on democracy. The left is based of socialist philosophy

[Ravenblade]

Bullshit. The right philosophy is based on democracy. The left is based of socialist philosophy

Where exactly did you get that non-sense from? Being democratic hasn't got anything to do with left or right. Otherwise, according to your logic, social democrats are not real people.

[DJ117]

You don't know what peculiar groups are located on the right side of spectrum either then. There are groups who openly reject democracy too.

Sure, but people will vote on those they believe have the right solutions. The right got the votes.

[Ravenblade]

Sure, but people will vote on those they believe have the right solutions. The right got the votes.

Paired with populism people can be misled to believe whatever solution. Whether this solution will ever come to fruition or gets even close to the promised one often remains to be seen. When even moderate proposals end up in compromises it shouldn't be too difficult to guess what's left for the most fantastic and radical ones. Often those proposals would indeed require curbing of civil and individual rights. Democracy can indeed be used to remove democracy.

[Deleted]

Where exactly did you get that non-sense from? Being democratic hasn't got anything to do with left or right. Otherwise, according to your logic, social democrats are not real people.

I think he goes with the american definitions, instead of using real words.

[Deleted]

So? I am talking about a country where the law is made by elected officials.

Elected officials can still pass oppressive and downright backward laws. See Duterte as an example.

[Deleted]

I don't really give a fuck.
If you think laws are oppressive and backwards you can argue to change them or you can go live somewhere else.

In the meantime you just follow the law or get arrested.

So why the response to LeRoy about elected officials? You acted as if elected officials are somehow better at making laws than non-elected people.

[Wyrt]

The left establishment is afraid of democracy. The people in the West want leaders will balls, only the Right provides such people.

Leaders with balls? You mean the ones that piss their pants when they see someone that isn't white and scream for safe zones when people criticize their racism?

[Deleted]

Because they are.
They have the support of people that voted for them.

That doesn't mean they're better at making laws than non-elected people just because they were elected.

See South Korea and their abortions laws.
See Thailand and their abortion laws.

Both countries have (various) backward laws and they have(In the case of Thailand, had) elections.

Having elections is no guarantee that they're going to be a better lawmaker than a non-elected person.