Why are Americans so Patriotic?

[Tyrianth]

But in the end they saved us all in two wars.

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The truth is....America is not as patriotic as they are portrayed. All you are seeing is a small sample size of millions upon millions of ppl.

The Allies were already on the winning side before the US decided to enter the wars... They didn't save anyone, they merely helped to speed up the victories.

[Shadowferal]

The Allies were already on the winning side before the US decided to enter the wars... They didn't save anyone, they merely helped to speed up the victories.

Uh...no.
If the US hadn't become involved the Allies would have likely capitulated and the outcome would not have been pretty. (No way in hell that they would have stormed Normandy) The only big dog was the USSR, and Stalin wasn't much different from Hitler.
Not that it matters that the US was already involved prior to its Declaration of War.

Might be tempting to think differently, but the supplies that the UK were receiving were made in the USA.

[Molis]

I always thought it was because America was so young and the start of our nation and ensuing civil war was very bloody.

We are only 240 years old as compared to a lot of European countries that are aged (2000?) years?

So it is fresher in peoples minds and driven into us at a young age with the pledge in school.

[Tyrianth]

Uh...no.
If the US hadn't become involved the Allies would have likely capitulated and the outcome would not have been pretty. (No way in hell that they would have stormed Normandy) The only big dog was the USSR, and Stalin wasn't much different from Hitler.
Not that it matters that the US was already involved prior to its Declaration of War.

Definitely not lol WW1 France was the major power with the US doing very little in comparison. During WW2, the Allies were already winning before the US joined.

In both WW1 and WW2, the US only served to expedite the victories. They are hardly the saviours of the world.

[Shadowferal]

In WWII...France surrendered. That's already a matter of historical fact. Were you taught differently? Then you were taught wrong.
The UK held out as long as it did because of US shipping. That's also a matter of fact.
There was no one else on the field here beyond Russia and Japan.

[Tyrianth]

In WWII...France surrendered. That's already a matter of historical fact. Were you taught differently? Then you were taught wrong.
The UK held out as long as it did because of US shipping. That's also a matter of fact.
There was no one else on the field here beyond Russia and Japan.

I wasn't aware France was the only player on the Ally side.

I didn't say the US didn't help, I said they didn't save the world as the person I quoted claimed. No need to get upset over it.

[stomination]

The Allies were already on the winning side before the US decided to enter the wars... They didn't save anyone, they merely helped to speed up the victories.

You must have forgotten how much it was a stalemate till the americans joined the war In ww1. The western front was a stalemate and Russia had made a peace treaty after its government collapse. And how in ww2 the british and Russians were getting pushed till the americans joined because Japan did the dumbest thing ever.

And then every forgets all the supplies that was sent.

[kubasniak]

I do not like the question itself. Why not be patriotic towards your country of origin? Everyone is taught from young age about importance of the country, history, language etc. It creates sense of identity. It is good. A patriotic person should do best for country's interest, for its family and people. I do not support the globalist agenda. I do not want to live in the world of no differences. I do not want people of my country to forget our ancestors history of creation and development of my country, myself included. Some people take patriotism too extreme and some do not really give a shit. Ohh and it should be taught at young age for good relationships within community. A person later in life can decide as an adult If he wants to be patriotic or not. Look at socialists in country like Germany, Merkel hates Germany and hates its flag... any representative aka politician who hates the country or serves globalist agenda is a traitor of its own people and should be hanged!

[Tyrianth]

You must have forgotten how much it was a stalemate till the americans joined the war In ww1. The western front was a stalemate and Russia had made a peace treaty after its government collapse. And how in ww2 the british and Russians were getting pushed till the americans joined because Japan did the dumbest thing ever.

And then every forgets all the supplies that was sent.

You should probably stop getting your history from Hollywood movies. American involvement helped, I never denied that. But there is no way in hell they won both world wars and saved the rest of us.

[Shadowferal]

I wasn't aware France was the only player on the Ally side.

I didn't say the US didn't help, I said they didn't save the world as the person I quoted claimed. No need to get upset over it.

*shrugs*
Germany had conquered almost the entirety of Europe in just 9 months, and with the surrender of France on June 22, 1940, the UK was the last major power left fighting Germany, and the UK had been forced off the continent.

You have to remember that from the British point of view in the summer and fall of 1940, the war was already over and they had lost. To them, it was only a matter of time until Germany invaded. They had no other ally then. So better to end it now before any German troops land than to have an occupied Britain lead by a puppet prime minister.

By the Spring of '41 the UK Treasury was empty, so they were broke. Even worse, in the summer of 1941, they were forced to withdraw from Greece leaving behind all their equipment, armor and weapons. And they'd just lost Crete which was a vital staging point for RAF bombing missions.

Operation Barbarossa was a godsend.

Ever since then, neither the UK or the US would ever get involved in any conflict without the other's backing. I believe that relationship will always exist.

[Docturphil]

Actually the international perception of Americans among other developed nations is generally "fat, loud and stupid". Anti-Americanism has been common as long as I've been alive. It's the norm among your peers, not the exception.

Seriously, go talk to any Australian, Brit or European on the street and ask them what they think of what America is up to. Doubt you'd get much postivity.

I really hope that's not true because Americans are not generally "fat loud and stupid". I mean any first world country isn't going to have a general population that is unintelligent, especially a country with so much scientific and technological development.

You could make the argument that more Americans are obese compared to other first world nations, but the rest is just completely invalid. So that's on you and others that think like you if that really is how you view our general population.

[bufferunderrun]

it's a cultural thing deep ingrained into usa citizens day life to avoid state nationalism to surface, in fact if someone go and analyze the internal balance btw the states one could discover how deeply different and heterogeneous they are and extremely similar to how european nations distinguish themselves; i'm not sure but i think the same thing could be noted inside the Russian Federation and inside China.
The thing that keep those nation united is patriotism and it's enforced on any level of the daily routing since birth.

[Cheerbleeder]

I sincerely believe that it's just a matter of time before the US acknowledges Tisquantum (Squanto) among the Founding Fathers. (Without him, the early colonists would have likely died)
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To repeat an earlier question; How do Americans feel when non-Americans say the US Constitution sucks?

You’re very well versed. It’s rare to find such a delightful thing to read on these forums. In this day in age, to be well versed on native american culture/history one must go digging in the archives. A lot of this information is not found on the internet.

Check out the spirit trails website and visit some tribes around you if you never had. All the original tribes still exist and its a great vacation to par take in with your family and loved ones. My grandmother is from the Lakota tribe, and her stories growing up were truly marvelous. The Sioux nation has a lot of rich lore and stories that should be heard by all Americans.

What a neat bit of history. I looked it up to verify it and it seems legit. I think it's great too. Anything that helps the tribes to feel greater ownership in this country of ours is a wonderful thing. However we all got here, we're here together, and the country belongs to all of us.

Thanks so much for the kind response. A lot of people were forgetting the positive side of history in this thread. Maybe I could share a few more tales to enrich the conversation.

This link is for you two (Shadowferal & 10thMountainMan). If you’re from this land then this music will surely resonate with you. This is the group Wuauquikuna and sometimes they feature various tribes/sounds within their music. They use original instruments (Lakota Flute) + modern day instruments. This inspires me, and I hope it inspires you.

personal favorite: Ananau @21:06

[PizzaSHARK]

What? - The US has had a war every 20-30 years since it was formed.
And then i'm not including the century long genocide of the native Americans.

I just see it as one of my duties as an European to inform the uneducated Americans.

lol

You're acting as though we're unaware. We just don't care. BTW, you'd all have been under Stalin's rule if not for us, so there's that, too. But, no, keep being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt, I guess.

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Thanks so much for the kind response. A lot of people were forgetting the positive side of history in this thread. Maybe I could share a few more tales to enrich the conversation.

This link is for you two (Shadowferal & 10thMountainMan). If you’re from this land then this music will surely resonate with you. This is the group Wuauquikuna and sometimes they feature various tribes/sounds within their music. They use original instruments (Lakota Flute) + modern day instruments. This inspires me, and I hope it inspires you.

personal favorite: Ananau @21:06

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out when I get off duty tomorrow. I've become rather interested in the history of The American tribes. I've been in the US Army for 12 years and let me tell you, there is no institution in the country that has been more affected by American Aboriginal culture. Our earliest tactical doctrines imitate their methods of fighting, our special forces units wear arrowheads in their heraldry in honor of them. The 2nd Infantry Division, of WWI and Korean War fame, bears an "Indian Head" as its symbol and nickname. Our helicopters are all named for American Tribes. Interesting personal story on that, I just completed flight training in the UH-72A Lakota. One of my classmates was in the Nebraska Army National Guard. She was the first Oglala Lakota to fly the helicopter named for her people. I'll begin flying the Apache in February.

[Cheerbleeder]

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out when I get off duty tomorrow. I've become rather interested in the history of The American tribes. I've been in the US Army for 12 years and let me tell you, there is no institution in the country that has been more affected by American Aboriginal culture. Our earliest tactical doctrines imitate their methods of fighting, our special forces units wear arrowheads in their heraldry in honor of them. The 2nd Infantry Division, of WWI and Korean War fame, bears an "Indian Head" as its symbol and nickname. Our helicopters are all named for American Tribes. Interesting personal story on that, I just completed flight training in the UH-72A Lakota. One of my classmates was in the Nebraska Army National Guard. She was the first Oglala Lakota to fly the helicopter named for her people. I'll begin flying the Apache in February.

The honor our nation has for one another is undeniable. Love wins in the end. Remember the Navajo Code Talkers in WWII?

“The entire operation was directed by Navajo code. Were it not for the Navajo Code Talkers, the Marines never would have taken Iwo Jima in WW2” ~ Major Howard Conner

The Navajo Code Talkers were treated with the utmost respect but most importantly they were the most revered defense for the United States of America. These brave men knew what was at stake to their lands and the rest of the world. The American people and our native tribes saved the world. The operation was flawless for the enemey could not brake our code.

This is just one small treasure that is hidden within our forests. We 'the people' of this land protect ourselves but most importantly we protect the original tribes. The true children of this earth who have been here at the dawn of time. I always say, if technology fails tomorrow there will be a group of us that survives for humanity. I stand and honor the ancients and continue these traditions for humanity.

*We, the Navajo people, were very fortunate to contribute our language as a code for our country's victory.
For this I strongly recommend we teach our children the language our ancestors were blessed with at the beginning of time.
It is very sacred and represents the power of life.*

*Warriors are not what you think of as warriors. The warrior is not someone who fights, because no on has the right to take another life. The warrior, for us, is one who sacrifices himself for the good of others.
His task is to take care of the elderly, the defenseless, those who can not provide for themselves, and above all, the children, the future of humanity* ~ Sitting Bull

*You already possess everything necessary to become great. Certain things catch your eye, but pursue only those that capture the heart*

[LaserChild9]

To be honest it was called football because they had to play it on foot and not on horse.

I get that, but nobody calls polo "horseball" so whats the relevance of not being played on horse?

[Destump]

lol

You're acting as though we're unaware. We just don't care. BTW, you'd all have been under Stalin's rule if not for us, so there's that, too. But, no, keep being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt, I guess.

He talked to you about genocide and having war. You said you don't care. Don't care about genocide? Don't care about the thousands of innocent people dead because of your country? And then you say he is being a cunt for the sake of a cunt, you are either delusional or a psychopath. which one of the two is it, if I may ask?

[JohnBrown1917]

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Cherry picking sure is hard these days.

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lol

You're acting as though we're unaware. We just don't care. BTW, you'd all have been under Stalin's rule if not for us, so there's that, too. But, no, keep being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt, I guess.

Sure, continue believing that and then be surprised why some people dislike the US.

[Mormolyce]

I really hope that's not true because Americans are not generally "fat loud and stupid". I mean any first world country isn't going to have a general population that is unintelligent, especially a country with so much scientific and technological development.

You could make the argument that more Americans are obese compared to other first world nations, but the rest is just completely invalid. So that's on you and others that think like you if that really is how you view our general population.

I'm sure they aren't but I have to tell you, that's your reputation.

The last couple of decades of Republican Presidential candidates haven't helped.

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which also coincided with that of most of the free world in some of them.

If you define "the free world" to mean "the United States' foreign and domestic interests".