Guy working at Subway with a bachelor's degree; is this the new norm?

[Elegiac]

The 2nd line was an important follow up to the one you quoted:

And just as meaningless considering it doesn't address the issue regarding qualification saturation in almost every sector.

That and social science degrees aren't 'worthless' by any metric.

[Linri]

worked a number of crappy jobs with a bachelor of science (graphic design)

retail, landscaper, forklift operator, bank teller, freelancer

now i work in a graphic design job, it took me almost 3 years of working crappy jobs however and freelancing my ass off to try and get here, and now it paid off..

so keep your head up, but its not always easy to get a job you truly enjoy

[Orlong]

Yeah, there are lots of different subways to be working at, or even mcdonalds!
More jobs =/= good jobs.

According to President Obama and people like @Endus it is. he type of jobs dont matter, as long as there are enough jobs to say unemployment is the lowest in decades, and because of the low unemployment the economy is doing great!

[Elegiac]

According to President Obama and people like @Endus it is. he type of jobs dont matter, as long as there are enough jobs to say unemployment is the lowest in decades, and because of the low unemployment the economy is doing great!

I believe his point was actually it's dishonest to claim the economy has deteriorated under Obama given that by every metric it is doing significantly better than it was (again, not ideal, but better).

But hey, you aren't willing to end wage suppression so enjoy your low paid service jobs.

[morislayer]

You wrote the title like: Looking for part time sandwich artist, bachelors in science a plus. Then when reading it comes off to me as you got a sandwich made from a young guy working a job at subway to get some cash and go back to school.

Yes people typically work after college in jobs they never thought they would be in. I would say, roughly 50% of my university friends end up working a job outta left field.

[Stormdash]

Whether soft science is real science or not is missing he point. What they aren't is "in demand", so those with that as their primary credential are having trouble competing for employment opportunities.

What we have forgotten is the trades. College-prep hysteria for a few generations has pretty thoroughly stigmatized being a plumber or carpenter or electrician or welder as some sort of failure, some underachievement, but the truth is the BA in social sciences would make money and probably be mlre content as a plumber's apprentice than making minimum wage in a fast food restaurant wishing for whatever they perceive as "better".

[TrumpIsPresident]

And just as meaningless considering it doesn't address the issue regarding qualification saturation in almost every sector.

That and social science degrees aren't 'worthless' by any metric.

No, friend, its not meaningless its a piece of the problem.

Did you read what I wrote in #194?

Let me quote it for you:

And of course I embellished heavily there to make the point so to clear it up the new reality is that having a degree these days doesn't mean shit if its a) a degree in a worthless field, and b) a degree from a worthless institute.

Plus on top of all of that is the millennial stigma that all grads are up against.

Fact it this generation of highly indoctrinated, highly radicalized, highly belligerent, and highly ignorant youths has adopted a slurry of qualities that are simply undesirable in the professional world.

Not every millennial manifests those qualities but most do, and when you consider the entire frame of pop-culture pop-politics (the things which determine the personality of these youths) represents those qualities in militant full force with no alternative ...well ...it just marks the entire generation with a "do not hire me" label.

So you have people who grew up with toxic mentality getting worthless "degrees" from radical indoctrination factories masquerading as universities trying to enter a workforce that is absolutely incompatible with what they embody.

Ya, seeing a grad slinging cold cuts at Subway is the new norm.

[Elegiac]

Whether soft science is real science or not is missing he point. What they aren't is "in demand", so those with that as their primary credential are having trouble competing for employment opportunities.

What we have forgotten is the trades. College-prep hysteria for a few generations has pretty thoroughly stigmatized being a plumber or carpenter or electrician or welder as some sort of failure, some underachievement, but the truth is the BA in social sciences would make money and probably be mlre content as a plumber's apprentice than making minimum wage in a fast food restaurant wishing for whatever they perceive as "better".

An expanded apprenticeship system would be wonderful. As would untying the college > job link that seems to have been created over the past few decades.

[chubbybunny]

A Research scientist with a degree asks "Do you want me to design something?"
An Engineer with a degree asks "Do you want me to build something?"
An Accountant with a degree asks "Do you want me to show you the costs of something?"

An Artist with a degree asks "Do you want fries with that burger?"

[Elegiac]

No, friend, its not meaningless its a piece of the problem.

Did you read what I wrote in #194?

Let me quote it for you:

Yeah, I ignored that largely because it's not based in any sort of fact. It's not like social science and liberal arts courses happen to be very good at cultivating critical thinking which are highly desirable in the modern workforce or anything.

[Aoyi]

Its possible to get a better job with any degree or even no degree if you interview well. I unfortunately didn't finish college (went to school in Manhattan when 9/11 happened and it freaked me out enough to not want to go back). My mistake. I worked hard and made my way into supervisor positions even without the degree by interviewing well and taking on additonal responsibilities. I'm on medical leave right now, but I have a job as an office manager paying $48,000 base with about $10-12,000 in bonuses a year.

[Sliske]

I'm suppose to laugh at the fact that a guy with a degree has a job in subway, but I'm not.

I'm jealous that he has a job to begin with.

[NineSpine]

Guy working at Subway with a bachelor's degree in transgender poly-sci femi-ethnic relation playground construction; is this the new norm?

Its the new norm for those people, yes.

And of course I embellished heavily there to make the point so to clear it up the new reality is that having a degree these days doesn't mean shit if its a) a degree in a worthless field, and b) a degree from a worthless institute.

Plus on top of all of that is the millennial stigma that all grads are up against.

Fact it this generation of highly indoctrinated, highly radicalized, highly belligerent, and highly ignorant youths has adopted a slurry of qualities that are simply undesirable in the professional world.

Not every millennial manifests those qualities but most do, and when you consider the entire frame of pop-culture pop-politics (the things which determine the personality of these youths) represents those qualities in militant full force with no alternative ...well ...it just marks the entire generation with a "do not hire me" label.

So you have people who grew up with toxic mentality getting worthless "degrees" from radical indoctrination factories masquerading as universities trying to enter a workforce that is absolutely incompatible with what they embody.

Ya, seeing a grad slinging cold cuts at Subway is the new norm.

And than it just spirals down the shitter socially when you think on it further...

Because that means all those min-wage jobs that would have gone to min-wage people are now becoming scarce.

So now people who are poor will be even less able to find work which means they're going to stay poor and stay dependent on Government.

See the damage that a highly radicalized no-compromise society has created?

Who benefits here?

Well really its only two bodies.

The Universities that suck in all that money and shit out toxic ideology, and the Government that benefits from a permanent underclass that will never bite the hand that feeds them.

Hmm, I wonder what side of the political spectrum they sit on.

Yeah, so, the problem is that everything you said there is demonstrably false, bogus garbage. Humanities and social sciences have not become much more popular over time. In fact, when you consider that education counts as one of those and has decreased in popularity dramatically, as has English, they are less popular than ever by some metrics:
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/20...ees-in-1-graph

Millennials are harder working than the two generations before them, and more frugal than the two generations before them. The problem is the economy, not millennials. It isn't 1958 anymore. There aren't strong unions fighting for workers' rights. There isn't a culture of worker investment in corporations today. Workers are considered expendable. The older generations aren't retiring at the rate they used to, which is blocking millennials out of higher positions. Where did this garbage situation come from? Hint: It didn't come from millennials, because these are trends that started in the 70s, and really blossomed in the 80s. The two previous generations, primarily the boomers, burned the bridges that the greatest generation built for them.

[Arewn]

Maybe the job's transitional since he's planning to continue his education, and as such is just working "wherever".
Otherwise, probably has to do with his education being in social sciences. That's not really a very strong "I'm going to get a job with this" degree.

[THE Bigzoman]

See thread title.

I live in Portland, Oregon. I haven't been going to Subway often lately (once every few months) but I stopped into the one near my apartment recently and I noticed it's the same guy working there each time I stop in. He's friendly and we strike up a conversation; the subject of grad school comes up and he tells me that he is in the process of applying to MFA programs. Apparently he has a bachelor's degree in the social sciences from the University of Oregon.

I didn't think I was that out of touch but holy shit. Bachelor's degree and working at Subway? Is this the norm now, or is this guy really aiming low with his job search? Wondering as it's been a few years since I graduated from undergrad (although not THAT long ago).

Not trying to shit on the guy for working at Subway, but he seemed intelligent and claims to be educated (at a fairly decent-ish state university); if this is the job market that grads are walking into then this is extremely depressing.

Based on this information, you're making quite a few assumptions.

He stated that he's applying for Master's Programs, so maybe the Subway Job was the best fit for him before he gets accepted and goes. There could be better jobs out there, but would require a bigger commitment that he can't make.




When it comes to professional jobs, i've noticed many things.

1. I was a dumbass for not doing internships.
2. Temp/Contract is where it's act, but only because it's the ONLY WAY.
3. Networking Matters. Like, a LOT. My recent assignment ended but I was able to secure an interview in Richmond for a much better job, but only because an old friend knew someone that knew someone that could expedite my application/resume.
4. Certifications in something as simple as the one Microsoft gives up for passing a test in Excel makes you stand out. Like, A LOT.
The difference in callbacks i've gotten between Janurary and now is massive.
5.Iowa sucks ass for young people, but I imagine it's the same in many other places. You need to be open to relocation to other cities and States to up your chances. Easier said than done, I know.

[StayTuned]

I have a bachelor and work in sales, like someone who didn't even finish school.

In this new age you can wipe your butt with a bachelor's degree. Master became minimum for something you could have worked at with only just an apprenticeship before.

[Skayth]

See thread title.

I live in Portland, Oregon. I haven't been going to Subway often lately (once every few months) but I stopped into the one near my apartment recently and I noticed it's the same guy working there each time I stop in. He's friendly and we strike up a conversation; the subject of grad school comes up and he tells me that he is in the process of applying to MFA programs. Apparently he has a bachelor's degree in the social sciences from the University of Oregon.

I didn't think I was that out of touch but holy shit. Bachelor's degree and working at Subway? Is this the norm now, or is this guy really aiming low with his job search? Wondering as it's been a few years since I graduated from undergrad (although not THAT long ago).

Not trying to shit on the guy for working at Subway, but he seemed intelligent and claims to be educated (at a fairly decent-ish state university); if this is the job market that grads are walking into then this is extremely depressing.

social science
poli science
gender science...
etc

dont expect a great future on your hand

[Elegiac]

social science
poli science
gender science...
etc

dont expect a great future on your hand

What in the hell is 'gender science'?

Oh, wait, you were talking about Gender Studies from the perspective of someone who has absolutely no idea what that field entails.

[alexw]

What degree he earned is irrelevant. The issue is this -



When you have 10 middle class workers and 10 middle class jobs everything works out. When you have 10 middle class workers, 9 middle class jobs, and 1 low paid service sector job at subways, then inevitably one of those middle class workers is going to be working at subways.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Yeah, I ignored that largely because it's not based in any sort of fact. It's not like social science and liberal arts courses happen to be very good at cultivating critical thinking which are highly desirable in the modern workforce or anything.

Haha, you can lie to me for your own ego's sake if you want to.

You ignored it because you know damned well its a reality of your ideology, one you cant muster a defense for, and so to acknowledge it means you would have to suffer a scratch that impenetrable armor of ignorance you wear.