Sargeras Spoilers

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I do think we will fight him, but not in our current form.
My view is that they made a big deal about Azeroth having the Titan inside, they will wake up and join forces with us to take him down once and for all. Maybe imbuing us with temporary powers that would draw on the inner power of our artifacts , which would explain why they get depleted afterwards

[Magicpot]

Who do you think will wrap up the expansion as the big baddie?

My money is on Illidan.

[RyanEX]

why would he shrink though? why give himself a disadvantage?

Maybe the Pillar's reduce his power, forcing him to shrink then we use the artifact weapons' power to kill/seal him. Surely I'm not the only one that noticed 5 pillars...5 Pantheon titans. Not sure if Aggramar really counts.

[Ethas]

Who do you think will wrap up the expansion as the big baddie?

Illidan, obviously.

[Bethanie]

YEAH fuck the players fighting Sargeras we should only fight KJ / Azshara / N'zoth

We must fight Sargeras at some point, it's blatantly obvious as the story has been leading us to this since day one. Seriously how could you even think otherwise?

OH NO SARGERAS DEAD

B-B-B-But that means the Warcraft story is almost over!

Don't be stupid, Blizzard is continually creating new lore, the story will continue. Did you miss the part about the Void Lords being a greater threat than Sargeras?

[anaxie]

Not sure if that is correct. The Tomb is a portal in which the Legion is using to stage it's invasion of Azeroth. However, I don't recall anywhere that is was known that the portal leads to Argus.

Look up the Sargerite Keystone

it'll a HUGE part of Illidans story.

The Tomb is taking us to Argus

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We must fight Sargeras at some point, it's blatantly obvious as the story has been leading us to this since day one. Seriously how could you even think otherwise?



Don't be stupid, Blizzard is continually creating new lore, the story will continue. Did you miss the part about the Void Lords being a greater threat than Sargeras?

did you miss the part that after Azshara , N'zoth , and Prophet Zul next expac all that is LITERALLY left is the void lords which could be wrapped up in the final patch considering Argus in all its glory is a patch?

there is simply no greater threat to the univese than Sargeras and the Void lords.

One is going to be destroyed with his army this expansion and the others are losing their last minions on Azeroth Next expansion.

There are 0 villans being worked on right now by blizzard for it to be anything but those 2 suspects after Legion and considering after the war on argus and fighting a god we will be at our weakest moment and it's the perfect time for the faceless and naga to pour across Azeroth with their full might

The also mentioned Vol'jin having a role to play. We know how spiritual the trolls are and their Loa. It would not be far fetched for Vol'jin who before joining the Horde was among one of the weakest most pitiful troll tribes had risen to glory and prominence among all the empires to take a place at Bwonsamadis side. One of Vol'jins Nemesis from way back in 4.1 Rise of the Zandalari was Prophet Zul the new enigmatic leader of the Zandalari that usurped power from King Rastakahn after the events of the Cataclysm.

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They may try and "redeem" Sargeras in some way, seeing has how his actions are are canonized in Chronicle as being more "misguided" than purely evil.

That, or something like this sequence:

LEGION
- We decimate the Legion on Azeroth.
- Army of Legionfall pursues the remnants to Argus and kills their biggest lieutenants there.
- Sargeras arrives and destroys Argus trying to end us all at once, but we escape back to Azeroth.
- "He knows where we are now; we must do whatever we can to awaken the world-soul!"

NEXT EXPANSION
- N'Zoth and Azshara are impeding the awakening of the world-soul.
- Lots of stuff to "undo" the Old God influence on the world-soul.
- Sargeras in the arrives final patch just as the world-soul awakens, they do battle while we do our part to help (Army of the Light and all that).
- End of WoW as we know it.

This is pretty much what i think will happen. World soul fights Sargeras while we fight the rest of th legion just like the Velen's prophecy.

But even after this theres still the whole crap with the void lords..... so dont expect it to end WoW

[anaxie]

Maybe the Pillar's reduce his power, forcing him to shrink then we use the artifact weapons' power to kill/seal him. Surely I'm not the only one that noticed 5 pillars...5 Pantheon titans. Not sure if Aggramar really counts.

if the pillars can seal rifts and tears in Azeroth aka a Titan it can presumably be used on any Titan

The are the pillars of CREATION something likely used to carve azeroth how the Pantheon saw fit.

We can use these to literally unmake Sargeras, carve him up and turn him inside out.

Why do you honestly think the Pillars are so damn important?

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This is pretty much what i think will happen. World soul fights Sargeras while we fight the rest of th legion just like the Velen's prophecy.

But even after this theres still the whole crap with the void lords..... so dont expect it to end WoW

and who are the void lords last minion son Azeroth.

Azshara and N'zoth

Then we get the whole Ion and Khadgar speech. We may of bought ourselves a day or a week or a year but they will be back.

So we go after the void lords.

Sargeras and the Void Lords and their greatest minons the Old Gods of Azeroth and the Eredar Lords KJ and Archimonde are the pinnacle of Warcraft lore.

One of those entire factions is about to be destroyed and for Old Gods ALL their different allied factions and gods are destroyed save two people

Queen Azshara, and N'zoth who reside in the last unexplored areas of Azeroth which is ripe for a great finale for the planet.

as Mentioned Prophet Zul fits as a being the only major villan outside them left for a side story and to flesh out Vol'jin post death.

Undermine the home of the Trade Princes and likely the Etherael consortium and Trade-Prince Haramad likely reside there at this point too. Would make a glorious and uniquely interesting city for the Horde and Alliance

Etherael have a WONDERFUL history with the Void Lords.

and with it being undermine there could be plenty of side story development for Geblin and Gallywix since Naval Warfare may come into play as an interesting new concept and another extension of the Garrison / Class order stuff moving Forward.

I dont think we NEED a new class especially not so soon but that would also be the perfect time to introduce the Tinker into the game. Obviously a Gnome and Goblin only class.

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An area being heavily saturated with Fel energy doesn't make it the twisting Nether. That would be a major weakness to the Legion. Now if in the very depths of the raid, we actually walk through a portal and find KJ sitting on a throne in the Twisting Nether and kill him, then that's different.

Fighting Archimonde and KJ as the last bosses of this expansion would be stupid as hell? Yeah, maybe... from a gameplay perspective, but this the Lore Forums, where we talk about lore. And right now, 2 expansion final bosses are still alive and their forces are currently attacking us... KJ was already the final boss in Sunwell and Archimonde was already a boss in Hyjal raid. Archimonde was also defeated in RoC and he was defeated in the War of the Ancients. So yeah, I think from a lore pov, fighting Archimonde and KJ on Argus makes a hell of a lot of sense... but I also think the Legion being taken over by the Old Gods would also make a lot too. Nice to see you also agree with me on that :P

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I do believe it will. But I feel 90% sure that it will end with the Old Gods/Void Lords gaining greatly.

Personally, I always thought that the Legion would try to summon Sargeras to his avatar and instead an Old God would infest it, taking over the Legion. Even made a thread about it like 6 years ago. God a lot of shit feedback from people, but it's starting to look like I was right all along >

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That would be cool, but he needs to come late. He needs to go to Ulduar and unite with the rest and start churning out more Titanforged. Maybe he can gather some Mogu and Tol'vir too.

Remember Illidan wants to explode Argus AFTER we destroy the Leadership so they can't port and escape the planet.

Argus Exploding with the Tomb Open wide has to be closed after we go through it.

What was the whispers in Emerald Nightmare again?

When we seal the portal and are exhausted and just suffered tremendous losses to destroy the legion and a god to achieve ultimate victory.

We shatter N'zoths Prison using the Pillars to seal the tomb. Exactly as was fortold.

With no Artifacts at our disposal and the armies of Azeroth licking our wounds N'zoth ereupts fully unleashed into the World. gaping Maws open with faceless and a endless nightmare pours across Azeroth as Azshara uses her Naga and Sorcery in their full might. We have never seen the FULL might of the naga. its going to be a dire situation at our weakest moments with the fate of Azeroths Soul as the ultimate prize.

N'zoth is the Void Lords last chance to finish their work they can't do anything without them there to work as their avatars. The would hurl more towards Azeroth and return eventually but just like we went to Argus we would seek the Void.

then its THE END

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did you miss the part that after Azshara , N'zoth , and Prophet Zul next expac all that is LITERALLY left is the void lords which could be wrapped up in the final patch considering Argus in all its glory is a patch?

You can't say "all that is left are the Void Lords" at the same time you bring Zul. Prophet Zul was created as a background character for Cataclysm and later expanded in MoP and is the main example that Blizzard can pull hundreds of new plots from whereever they want before using the Void Lords.

The scenario that you keep spamming is nothing but bad writing, it doesn't accept new stories opportunities. Heck, if Blizzard follows the Legion comics lore, the fight against the Void will take decades (Anduin as an old guy).

[anaxie]

Of course we won't fight Sargeras. Don't be silly. We might defeat the Legion, but not Sargeras. No way they are bringing him back now. If anything we'll defeat the Legion as it exists now, under the leadership of Kil'Jaeden as Sargeras has been AWOL for some time at this point. Kil'Jaeden is currently the leader of the Legion. We will hear of Sargeras' return later on as he builds Legion 2.0 in the future. They're not gonna end that now. It's gonna be Sargeras vs. Azeroth (the Titan to be) much, much later.

Legion IS LEGION 2.0

WOTA was over 10,000 years ago
The 2nd invasion and Third War was less than 20 years ago
The Attempted 3rd invasion and War on outland in The Burning Crusade was about 10 years ago
The 3rd and Final Invasion of the Broken Isles and War on Argus is now.

The legion will be back in a few years. It's going to end this expansion once and for all.

We are going to Argus so the Legion cant threaten us ever again.

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You can't say "all that is left are the Void Lords" at the same time you bring Zul. Prophet Zul was created as a background character for Cataclysm and later expanded in MoP and is the main example that Blizzard can pull hundreds of new plots from whereever they want before using the Void Lords.

The scenario that you keep spamming is nothing but bad writing, it doesn't accept new stories opportunities. Heck, if Blizzard follows the Legion comics lore, the fight against the Void will take decades (Anduin as an old guy).

Xavius Arguably could be a background character. Imperator Mar'gok could be a backgronud character.

Prophet Zul and the Zandalar isle as the Pinnacle troll raid would easily be the Intro non tier raid when the final setting for Azshara , N'zoth is within their proximity.

Also you can hardly say background character considering the Zandalaris Allied Army that made up the vast Bulk of the forces of Lei Shen The Thunder King.

2 Major troll figures exist still

King Rastakhan and Prophet Zul. Argubly the 2 most important trolls on the face of Azeroth.

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Xavius Arguably could be a background character. Imperator Mar'gok could be a backgronud character.

Prophet Zul and the Zandalar isle as the Pinnacle troll raid would easily be the Intro non tier raid when the final setting for Azshara , N'zoth is within their proximity.

Also you can hardly say background character considering the Zandalaris Allied Army that made up the vast Bulk of the forces of Lei Shen The Thunder King.

I was talking about how a background character can be largely expanded to the point of making an expansion just of that. Example, Chen.

Blizzard can create new lore if they need.

[anaxie]

You can't say "all that is left are the Void Lords" at the same time you bring Zul. Prophet Zul was created as a background character for Cataclysm and later expanded in MoP and is the main example that Blizzard can pull hundreds of new plots from whereever they want before using the Void Lords.

The scenario that you keep spamming is nothing but bad writing, it doesn't accept new stories opportunities. Heck, if Blizzard follows the Legion comics lore, the fight against the Void will take decades (Anduin as an old guy).

YOu do know to find the Void Lords space travel takes time. Why do you think Sargeras demons get summoned everywhere and refuse to come in from the sky.

When we leave to fight them a time skip will occur from patch to patch which is pretty likely.

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I was talking about how a background character can be largely expanded to the point of making an expansion just of that. Example, Chen.

Blizzard can create new lore if they need.

if blizzard wanted to stretch expansions Kil'jaeden wouldn't be the final boss of the Midtier and Argus wouldn't be a patch.

They are working on no side villans right now. They are focusing on building up Azshara and N'zoth on the side of the Legion story because they are about the thrust them into our face.

Again its no coincidence that the only cosmic threat left after the Legion is destroyed is the Void lords and the only Villans left on the only Areas of Azeroth KNOWN but not in game are Azshara and N'zoth Two Villans who got tremendous build up in Cata / Legion Nevermind the naga have had a presence in

Vanilla, TBC , a select few naga in Wrath, Cata , and Legion

[TheLimonTree]

Thrall will jump in and steal the kill

[McFrotton]

To all those that don't believe we fight Sargeras as the final boss: Who do you think will be the final boss on Argus this expansion?

we will fight him and maybe even reason him, by proving him we can save azeroth world soul!

[anaxie]

we will fight him and maybe even reason him, by proving him we can save azeroth world soul!

we may get some bewidlered speech from Sargeras like... How is this possible, he renounces his crusade and the spirit of the Titans project from the watchers and give Sargeras a hug amd forgive him. NO Titan rules forever my friend says Aman'thul then Aggramar comes out and like. Lets go home brother. These mortals have got this.


keep in mind Azeroth is the only planet to resist the Legions invasion and we have technically done it FOUR times.

[George Costanza]

Who do you think will wrap up the expansion as the big baddie?

Xe'ra.

/thread

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We won't fight him. Mark my words bro.

Maybe we fire a giant laser at him with our collective power? I dunno.

Broxigar could hit him, so can we!

[Deleted]

YOu do know to find the Void Lords space travel takes time. Why do you think Sargeras demons get summoned everywhere and refuse to come in from the sky.

When we leave to fight them a time skip will occur from patch to patch which is pretty likely.

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if blizzard wanted to stretch expansions Kil'jaeden wouldn't be the final boss of the Midtier and Argus wouldn't be a patch.

They are working on no side villans right now. They are focusing on building up Azshara and N'zoth on the side of the Legion story because they are about the thrust them into our face.

Again its no coincidence that the only cosmic threat left after the Legion is destroyed is the Void lords and the only Villans left on the only Areas of Azeroth KNOWN but not in game are Azshara and N'zoth Two Villans who got tremendous build up in Cata / Legion Nevermind the naga have had a presence in

Vanilla, TBC , a select few naga in Wrath, Cata , and Legion

You need to ditch the "certainties" and "inevitabilities" from your posts. Nothing you are saying is confirmed or supreme absolute, Blizzard can easily throw a curve ball just because they can (like "all Titans are dead, no Titan expac for you") or need to expand their business.

Seriously, come down a notch and talk in terms of speculation.

[anaxie]

Blizzard can create new lore if they need.

New watered down lore cant hold a candle to multi decade iconic villans and locations like Nazjatar and Ny'olotha and their masters the Void Lords.

With the Ultimate destruction of the Legion and Sargeras it should be a BIG hint that the story is heading towards its conclusion.

[Deleted]

we may get some bewidlered speech from Sargeras like... How is this possible, he renounces his crusade and the spirit of the Titans project from the watchers and give Sargeras a huge. NO Titan rules forever my friend says Aman'thul then Aggramar comes out and like. Lets go home brother. These mortals have got this.


keep in mind Azeroth is the only planet to resist the Legions invasion and we have technically done it FOUR times.

Other planets have resisted. Azeroth isn't special in that regard. There were even those dudes that resisted so well that Sargeras himself actually had to show up and go "cool dude, wanna join?" but they scoffed at him and he promptly destroyed their planet. The Legion always wins in the end and they will win against us in time. Difference this time is that WE go on the offensive. Without Illidan and the Illidari, we would lose.