Should some countries trade locations?

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If this isn't trolling then its got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Mongolia reveres Genghis Khan and their heritage, and would likely never want to leave the land. Plus they have different economies and religious and cultural makeups and would make it a nightmare converting buildings, training people to new vocations and such.

Mongolia stretched once to almost the point where Serbia is. I don't see why it would be such a big loss going to a country close to the vastest point of their once huge empire. If anything, that would seal the whole freaking conquest once and for all.

If they want, they can both have like 0.5% of their original lands as their embassies and for nostalgia and heritage stuff.

As for architecture, lol? Are you kidding? Mongolian capital looks like this:



I mean, it's the same kind of shitty communist architecture you find in Serbia.

[Thetruth1400]

Plus, Americans, being so generous and pro-Israel, would probably not mind giving a little portion of Texas to them.

So, yes, I agree. I think country trade should seriously be considered.

What would America get out of that though? To be brutally honest, America only likes Israel because of the strategic importance of it. There's a reason that Israel has been called America's aircraft carrier in the Middle East, and it isn't because we're just pals that happen to both be Democratic.

While, on paper, changing countries seems like an easy thing to do, the logistics of what actually has to change are insane. Hell, think of all that has to be do to move a single house; Packing everything (which means tons of boxes, containers, packaging materials,shipping vehicles, etc.), use up perishables as they can't come with you, change the location for all of your bills (banks, your employer, magazine and newspapers you subscribe to, and credit card, insurance, and utility companies.), Make sure your medical records are in order for transfer to a new doctor, and tons more things.

That's just packing to move a single house. Now consider that on a scale you're talking and it's, at best, a complete chaos situation.

Again, that's not even taking into account the logistics of such a massive move. First things first, everything has to be changed to the other countries language. No sense in getting to a new country when you can't read or understand a thing. Then, you have to send over the infrastructure staff first, since without running water, electricity, etc. you can't have a functioning society. Again, lots of training to do there. Then how do you decide who goes where? If there was a town of say 10,000 people, do you ensure they all go to a same town in their new country or do you go, "Oh sorry, we don't have a town that has that kind of ability, so 2,000 of you are going to have to go somewhere else."

There's just way too much to do for it to ever work, not to mention the cost it would take to do all that, and, again, who is going to pay for it?

[StayTuned]

Dude, Russian and Serbian are very similar. It doesn't take more than months to learn if you actively try.

Serbia has no ocean already.

Croatian-Serbian families can simply choose their new place (Croatia or Mongolia ("New Serbia"))and settle there. Very easy...

No, Croatian and Serbian or Bosnian and Serbian are very similar. Russian is not that simple.

Language isn't even the biggest issue. Who's going to give them jobs? Who will say who's gonna get which land?

There have been people fighting the Yugoslavian war because they wanted to protect their home land. The mountain behind them. The river flowing in their village.

Why would they now want to move away and trade what they've bled over for basically infinite plane land where nothing grows?

Also, how do you intend to integrate Mongolia into EU? You think Ulaanbaatar is all there is? There are thousands and thousands of nomads. Wanna let these people into Europe? Look how split we are over refugees....

Solve the problems internally.... moving cancer from your ass to your lungs doesn't solve anything
Yea "just choose".

[Justpassing]

Stop feeding that asshole and just report & move on, geez you guys.

[Deleted]

What would America get out of that though? To be brutally honest, America only likes Israel because of the strategic importance of it. There's a reason that Israel has been called America's aircraft carrier in the Middle East, and it isn't because we're just pals that happen to both be Democratic.

While, on paper, changing countries seems like an easy thing to do, the logistics of what actually has to change are insane. Hell, think of all that has to be do to move a single house; Packing everything (which means tons of boxes, containers, packaging materials,shipping vehicles, etc.), use up perishables as they can't come with you, change the location for all of your bills (banks, your employer, magazine and newspapers you subscribe to, and credit card, insurance, and utility companies.), Make sure your medical records are in order for transfer to a new doctor, and tons more things.

That's just packing to move a single house. Now consider that on a scale you're talking and it's, at best, a complete chaos situation.

Again, that's not even taking into account the logistics of such a massive move. First things first, everything has to be changed to the other countries language. No sense in getting to a new country when you can't read or understand a thing. Then, you have to send over the infrastructure staff first, since without running water, electricity, etc. you can't have a functioning society. Again, lots of training to do there. Then how do you decide who goes where? If there was a town of say 10,000 people, do you ensure they all go to a same town in their new country or do you go, "Oh sorry, we don't have a town that has that kind of ability, so 2,000 of you are going to have to go somewhere else."

There's just way too much to do for it to ever work, not to mention the cost it would take to do all that, and, again, who is going to pay for it?

Everything you mentioned is easily solved, cheap, and mostly non-problematic.

Here is why:

The logistics is not difficult as we are talking about only a couple million people. Much larger migrations have happened over a much lower period of time. Additionally, the Jews are relatively wealthy, both those in Israel and those in America, and would get money easily. For instance, they could sell their property and THE WHOLE LAND OF ISRAEL to the rich Arabs. I mean, this is the dream of dreams coming true for Arabs. Plus, this would settle the whole Israel-Palestine and Jew-Muslim issue, so Jews would have no restrictions visiting their holy sites in Israel because the Muslims, when having the upper hand of Jews, always treated them much better than any other people throughout history. They would have no reasons for enmity, so there would be good relations probably.

Additionally, America would cut spending money on military aid for Israel, so all the cash could go for this. Again, very simple.

Jews would be extremely good allies with America with such close proximity, having already enough wealth and good socioeconomic backgrounds. Plus, they happen to be very intelligent and would easily benefit America as a neighbour in a plethora of ways (technologically, scientifically, etc.).

This would be an amazing solution.

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No, Croatian and Serbian or Bosnian and Serbian are very similar. Russian is not that simple.

Language isn't even the biggest issue. Who's going to give them jobs? Who will say who's gonna get which land?

There have been people fighting the Yugoslavian war because they wanted to protect their home land. The mountain behind them. The river flowing in their village.

Why would they now want to move away and trade what they've bled over for basically infinite plane land where nothing grows?

Also, how do you intend to integrate Mongolia into EU? You think Ulaanbaatar is all there is? There are thousands and thousands of nomads. Wanna let these people into Europe? Look how split we are over refugees....

Solve the problems internally.... moving cancer from your ass to your lungs doesn't solve anything
Yea "just choose".

No, but because of Russian's similarity, it would be easy to learn.

15-20% of Serbs are unemployed. That leaves about 80% of the workforce (NOT total population) actually needing a job, which would come easily to a lot of people because of the need for construction, management, and much more. It would be a haven for all people in need of a job or in need of higher pay.

Nothing has to grow there because they can, you know, trade?

Mongolia would easily integrate in the EU because they are peaceful and have no issues with anyone. What's the problem with having 3 million Mongolians in Serbia?

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Stop feeding that asshole and just report & move on, geez you guys.

Just because your dealer gave you sugar instead of the real stuff doesn't mean you should unleash your fury at me, lol.

[Ghâzh]

A few trucks could move all of the materials except houses to Mongolia with ease. Russia could provide the energy and transport route. It would literally be the most wonderful migration process ever.

Maybe you're actually being serious so I'll answer. No, a few trucks wouldn't be enough.

Let's say that moving the belongings of a middle sized house would take about 15m^2 of truck bed area. An average sized truck with a trailer has about 50m^2 of effective area. If we assume that everyone from that 13 million people lives in families of 4 we can calculate that one truck could house the belongings of 3.6 families which is 14.6 people. That would mean that moving belongings of all those 13 million people would take 890 411 truck loads in a best case scenario and the true amount could easily be double that.

Google maps wouldn't let me calculate travel distance from Mongolia to Serbia (are they even connected via roads?) but the closest I could get was Zaysan. The travel time there was 61 hours so let's assume generously that it would take you 70 hours of driving all the way to Mongolia plus 11.6 hours of breaks, that's 80.6 hours for travel. That makes 71 767 126 work hours for driving only and for one way. Double that for the other way traffic as well for the total of 143 534 252 works hours total. And on top of that you have to load and unload the stuff so let's assume measly 6 hours for that and we can calculate the moving itself which would take around 19 500 000 hours. That's 163 034 252 works hours for personal property only with very optimistic numbers. Edit: 8 hours of sleep per day during the 11 days of travel is 88 hours per truck load which amounts to about 78 million extra hours.

And needless to say that the personal property is one of your smaller concerns. Business relocating is a massive hassle. And what about the houses?

[Deleted]

Maybe you're actually being serious so I'll answer. No, a few trucks wouldn't be enough.

Let's say that moving the belongings of a middle sized house would take about 15m^2 of truck bed area. An average sized truck with a trailer has about 50m^2 of effective area. If we assume that everyone from that 13 million people lives in families of 4 we can calculate that one truck could house the belongings of 3.6 families which is 14.6 people. That would mean that moving belongings of all those 13 million people would take 890 411 truck loads in a best case scenario and the true amount could easily be double that.

Google maps wouldn't let me calculate travel distance from Mongolia to Serbia (are they even connected via roads?) but the closest I could get was Zaysan. The travel time there was 61 hours so let's assume generously that it would take you 70 hours of driving all the way to Mongolia plus 11.6 hours of breaks, that's 80.6 hours for travel. That makes 71 767 126 work hours per a truck load for driving only and for one way. Double that for the other way traffic as well for the total of 143 534 252 works hours total. And on top of that you have to load and unload the stuff so let's assume measly 6 hours for that and we can calculate the moving itself which would take around 19 500 000 hours. That's 163 034 252 works hours for personal property only with very optimistic numbers. Edit: 8 hours of sleep per day during the 11 days of travel is 88 hours per truck load which amounts to about 78 million extra hours.

And needless to say that the personal property is one of your smaller concerns. Business relocating is a massive hassle. And what about the houses?

Again, there are very simple solutions, but the reason you cannot see them is because you spend all your creative effort into thinking about the small problems rather than the big solutions. That is very bad.

First of all, not all pieces of furniture need to be relocated. They can be sold, then purchased at equivalent or cheaper rates when people already get there. I mean... so simple I am even doubting it is possible that anything is as simple as this.

Second, all that transport just means more jobs for people who are unemployed and ACTUALLY NEED THE MONEY. Also, Serbia and Mongolia are connected the following way: through Eastern Europe and Russia. It takes a few hours from Serbia to reach Russia, then simply driving there through the flatlands to Mongolia is the easiest transporting process conceivable.

Third, people could relocate using cars, planes, buses... easy.

It takes effort, it takes time, it requires people to sell some things and buy again, but that is very very easy to do. Just consumes a little of the year.

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Also, LOL, you forget cargo planes... TRAINS?!

Please. I am sorry but this is so easy that I don't understand why people take issues with logistics, lol.

(EVERYONE, REMEMBER RUSSIA, CHINA ET AL BUILT TOWNS FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE (AND STILL DO) WITH CHEAP COMMODITY FOR WORK PURPOSES. THERE ARE RUSSIAN TOWNS TODAY THAT SOLELY EXIST DUE TO COMMUNIST PLANNING. I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE THINK BUILDING NEW AND CHEAP COMMUNIST-STYLE APARTMENTS AND HOUSES IN NEW LOCATIONS WOULD TAKE SERIOUS EFFORT, LOL.)

[Justpassing]

Everything you mentioned is easily solved, cheap, and mostly non-problematic.

Here is why:

The logistics is not difficult as we are talking about only a couple million people. Much larger migrations have happened over a much lower period of time. Additionally, the Jews are relatively wealthy, both those in Israel and those in America, and would get money easily. For instance, they could sell their property and THE WHOLE LAND OF ISRAEL to the rich Arabs. I mean, this is the dream of dreams coming true for Arabs. Plus, this would settle the whole Israel-Palestine and Jew-Muslim issue, so Jews would have no restrictions visiting their holy sites in Israel because the Muslims, when having the upper hand of Jews, always treated them much better than any other people throughout history. They would have no reasons for enmity, so there would be good relations probably.

Additionally, America would cut spending money on military aid for Israel, so all the cash could go for this. Again, very simple.

Jews would be extremely good allies with America with such close proximity, having already enough wealth and good socioeconomic backgrounds. Plus, they happen to be very intelligent and would easily benefit America as a neighbour in a plethora of ways (technologically, scientifically, etc.).

This would be an amazing solution.

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No, but because of Russian's similarity, it would be easy to learn.

15-20% of Serbs are unemployed. That leaves about 80% of the workforce (NOT total population) actually needing a job, which would come easily to a lot of people because of the need for construction, management, and much more. It would be a haven for all people in need of a job or in need of higher pay.

Nothing has to grow there because they can, you know, trade?

Mongolia would easily integrate in the EU because they are peaceful and have no issues with anyone. What's the problem with having 3 million Mongolians in Serbia?

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Just because your dealer gave you sugar instead of the real stuff doesn't mean you should unleash your fury at me, lol.

Dude you know what you're doing, I know what you're doing, it's obvious so just stop it.

Actually I'm done, have fun being b&.

[Yvaelle]

I propose that Canada trade places with American Samoa.

That way we can wrap the Hudson Bay and our northern islands across from Australia to New Zealand - and then we can protect the Great Barrier Reef in our giant new inland sea - where we can collectively prevent its destruction.

Then we can team up with our triumvirate of socialist-Anglosphere policies and form a more perfect union of states

Plus, Canada doesn't have to build a wall to keep out Trump/Hooked after he's elected this week - since Hooked suggested Trump will conquer Canada last week

Sailing half a continent to the other hemisphere is probably about the same cost as building a content sized wall capable of keeping the Americans out, I figure?

[Deleted]

I propose that Canada trade places with American Samoa.

That way we can wrap the Hudson Bay and our northern islands across from Australia to New Zealand - and then we can protect the Great Barrier Reef in our giant new inland sea - where we can collectively prevent its destruction.

Then we can team up with our triumvirate of socialist-Anglosphere policies and form a more perfect union of states

Plus, Canada doesn't have to build a wall to keep out Trump/Hooked after he's elected this week - since Hooked suggested Trump will conquer Canada last week

Sailing half a continent to the other hemisphere is probably about the same cost as building a content sized wall capable of keeping the Americans out, I figure?

Well, if ya'll like the plan, go for it.

[Yvaelle]

Well, if ya'll like the plan, go for it.

My fellow Canadians, we have Mirkzat's approval! Get out your welding torches and we shall commence carving off Canada at the 49th parallel!

When I read your thread title I thought you meant actually moving the countries around, not just trading populations - which I guess makes more sense - but my idea was too whimsical to not roll with

[Deleted]

My fellow Canadians, we have Mirkzat's approval! Get out your welding torches and we shall commence carving off Canada at the 49th parallel!

When I read your thread title I thought you meant actually moving the countries around, not just trading populations - which I guess makes more sense - but my idea was too whimsical to not roll with

Haha

Btw, I sense thumbs up for your plan from Serbia and Mongolia.

[Yvaelle]

Haha

Btw, I sense thumbs up for your plan from Serbia and Mongolia.

Eh - I see what you're doing here and I'm kind of saddened that Serbia/Bosnia/Croat relations are still so poor that this is your grand plan - but it obviously will never happen so I don't really see the harm in entertaining the thought experiment.

[Deleted]

Eh - I see what you're doing here and I'm kind of saddened that Serbia/Bosnia/Croat relations are still so poor that this is your grand plan - but it obviously will never happen so I don't really see the harm in entertaining the thought experiment.

One must never give up.

[Deleted]

If you really want to listen, here goes: because no two countries WANT to re-locate. Because you never get 100% of the people to vote and you don't get 100% to vote one way or another. You will just divide them.

Apart of everything else that has been mentioned here. Just in case you are serious about listening.

That's why the poll says IF THEY WANT.

I'm sure I should learn to listen, lol!

[Deleted]

Again, there are very simple solutions, but the reason you cannot see them is because you spend all your creative effort into thinking about the small problems rather than the big solutions. That is very bad.

First of all, not all pieces of furniture need to be relocated. They can be sold, then purchased at equivalent or cheaper rates when people already get there. I mean... so simple I am even doubting it is possible that anything is as simple as this.

Second, all that transport just means more jobs for people who are unemployed and ACTUALLY NEED THE MONEY. Also, Serbia and Mongolia are connected the following way: through Eastern Europe and Russia. It takes a few hours from Serbia to reach Russia, then simply driving there through the flatlands to Mongolia is the easiest transporting process conceivable.

Third, people could relocate using cars, planes, buses... easy.

It takes effort, it takes time, it requires people to sell some things and buy again, but that is very very easy to do. Just consumes a little of the year.

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Also, LOL, you forget cargo planes... TRAINS?!

Please. I am sorry but this is so easy that I don't understand why people take issues with logistics, lol.

(EVERYONE, REMEMBER RUSSIA, CHINA ET AL BUILT TOWNS FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE (AND STILL DO) WITH CHEAP COMMODITY FOR WORK PURPOSES. THERE ARE RUSSIAN TOWNS TODAY THAT SOLELY EXIST DUE TO COMMUNIST PLANNING. I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE THINK BUILDING NEW AND CHEAP COMMUNIST-STYLE APARTMENTS AND HOUSES IN NEW LOCATIONS WOULD TAKE SERIOUS EFFORT, LOL.)

But that IS not an easy issue, its a huge one, seriously. Moving so many people, so many things, not only all the logistic, but the costs too. Im pretty sure the economy would be total fucked up cause of things like that.

And most important; I'm pretty sure most people in both countries would not want to move at all.

And one thing, Russia and China aint Mongolia or Serbia. And you know, I doubt either Russia or China would be interested to help out lol.

[Deleted]

But that IS not an easy issue, its a huge one, seriously. Moving so many people, so many things, not only all the logistic, but the costs too. Im pretty sure the economy would be total fucked up cause of things like that.

And most important; I'm pretty sure most people in both countries would not want to move at all.

And one thing, Russia and China aint Mongolia or Serbia. And you know, I doubt either Russia or China would be interested to help out lol.

Usually when the economy cracks due to such scenarios, it experiences a huge boom afterwards. I doubt they would have a problem with that.

Russia and China would probably love to help out so they can have a new, fantastic neighbour.

[W1sp]

I don't think it is something that will ever happen on a grand scale. I think you underestimate the amount of labour and required for such a feat. Also you say the communists built a city for workers etc. Yet we are not talking about a city we are speaking of countries here.

If we however were to imagine the thought were all citizens thought it was a good idea, and they all agreed to simply trade there living quarters between each other and all were happy with it (as in the only thing you need to move are the actual citizens). Then I myself could think of it as maybe a good idea.

[Deleted]

Usually when the economy cracks due to such scenarios, it experiences a huge boom afterwards. I doubt they would have a problem with that.

Russia and China would probably love to help out so they can have a new, fantastic neighbour.

OH!

Did I mention that the ENTIRETY OF EUROPE would love to help out with that in every way possible? I mean... the people that started the first and are amongst the most likely to start a new world war relocating to a distant land with no possible way to trigger any sort of war at all?

That's so easily approved. I should probably link this thread to Merkel.

[Deleted]

I don't think it is something that will ever happen on a grand scale. I think you underestimate the amount of labour and required for such a feat. Also you say the communists built a city for workers etc. Yet we are not talking about a city we are speaking of countries here.

If we however were to imagine the thought were all citizens thought it was a good idea, and they all agreed to simply trade there living quarters between each other and all were happy with it (as in the only thing you need to move are the actual citizens). Then I myself could think of it as maybe a good idea.

Exactly, of course there are difficulties (mostly mental), but overall it would be great. I really hope Serbs and Mongolians can make a deal on this.