Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[MonsieuRoberts]

Hey guys,

What happens with the Us' relationship with Canada if either of these peeps win?

[Venant]

Because compromising and accepting half a loaf is what people over the age of 15 do.

He didn't get half a loaf, he didn't even get 1/10th of a loaf, there were no permanent concessions or reforms, and some emails even suggest that the tokens he was given will really mean nothing in the future. His beliefs would have been better served by shattering the system, and paving the way for potentially viable 3rd parties in the future.

[Vanyali]

He should never have endorsed Clinton, and why didn't he retract his endorsement when the extent to which the DNC rigged the primaries was revealed? It really seemed like he was a man who had strong convictions, so either he was bought off or something more sinister happened. Heck, he would have done more good for his cause if he had endorsed Jill Stein.

Your concern-trolling really isn't all that convincing. You realize people remember your post history, yes?

[Al Gorefiend]

You absolutely can defeat an idea. Who ever told you that? You can actually do it in three steps.

Step 1: Buy off the the ones you can.

Step 2: Throw a sufficient amount of bones to the marginal people who are indifferent

Step 3: Malign and isolate the dead enders.


I just described both how Hillary and Trump took over their parties after contentious, and broadly how the US fought terrorism in Iraq. It's kind of a universal approach. Why? Belief depends on people and people are if nothing else, fickle and can be counted upon to put self interest first.

In any event, you're entitled to do whatever you want of course. But you're making no point and nobody cares.

It's more amusing than anything that you think ideas can't be smacked down hard. Centrist Democrats have been successfully doing that since Dukakis blew it in 1988.

The greatest tragedy of the Bernie Bro is that they managed to convinced themselves that "this time it's different". Yes. Except for 2008 (Barack Obama). And 2004 (Howard Dean). And 2000 (Bill Bradley). And 1992 (Jerry Brown / Paul Tsongas).

Bernie lives on through the power of free speech. His followers will take his word over the president's any day of the week. The Bernie Bro isn't a team that lost and had to take a bow. The Bernie Bro will live on after this election, and the Bernie Bro will follow him on Twitter and take his word as gospel. The Bern had created a following that may have no sway on the political scope, but is a powerful contender that will move and shake American politics from the underground.
He's kinda like a lovable cult leader, it's fun man

[Edge-]

Hey guys,

What happens with the Us' relationship with Canada if either of these peeps win?

If Clinton wins, probably nothing at all. Things go on as usual.

If Trump wins...who knows.

[Al Gorefiend]

Hey guys,

What happens with the Us' relationship with Canada if either of these peeps win?

Nothing, because as per usual, the weeks leading up to an election is filled with apocalyptic ramblings about WW3 and Nuclear catastrophe, then we all sit around for 4 years waiting for something to happen.

[Skroe]

All you have to do is look at powerful people who sought state power throughout history, we like to pretend that human nature magically works different in our country but in almost all other cases you see people who literally had skeletons buried all over the place.

You're not exactly make a good case for the Bernie Sanders supporter.

You're basically painting yourself as a paranoid whack job who is unhappy with Bernie Sander's perfectly rational acceptance of the electoral reality. So you constructed a scenario that turns something rather plain into the worst of those cheap Thriller novels they sell at supermarkets.

And you wonder how you people lose so badly. Instead of learning from your mistakes, the recurring theme among you people (and you're not the first) is to come up with cheesy (not even great) works of fiction.

[MonsieuRoberts]

How many hours until we know who's POTUS? I'm Canadian so I've no clue.

[Al Gorefiend]

He should never have endorsed Clinton, and why didn't he retract his endorsement when the extent to which the DNC rigged the primaries was revealed? It really seemed like he was a man who had strong convictions, so either he was bought off or something more sinister happened. Heck, he would have done more good for his cause if he had endorsed Jill Stein.

I think Bernie endorsed Clinton because he realized Trump would have given him no voice whatsoever. At least Clinton may show his ideas some support after her obvious victory tomorrow.

[Skroe]

He didn't get half a loaf, he didn't even get 1/10th of a loaf, there were no permanent concessions or reforms, and some emails even suggest that the tokens he was given will really mean nothing in the future. His beliefs would have been better served by shattering the system, and paving the way for potentially viable 3rd parties in the future.

Actually if every Bernie Sanders supporter voted for Clinton, he would bring 13.2 million votes to the table. About 68 million people will vote for the winner this election. Let's say it's Hillary. That means Bernie brings a verifiable ceiling of 19.4% of what it will take for Hillary to win.

So technically speaking, he isn't entitled to half a loaf. He's entitled to 19.4% a loaf. That's because he's a liberal who ran a liberal platform in a center-left party. But this is a center-right country and independents vastly outnumber democrats and republicans, and moderate/conservative independents hugely out number liberal independents.

Hillary governing from the center/center-left rather than the left is actually EXACTLY representative of the coalition that will make her President.

[Venant]

Your concern-trolling really isn't all that convincing. You realize people remember your post history, yes?

I'm actually pretty liberal in my ideological beliefs, as are many people who support Trump as the more liberal of the 2 candidates.

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Actually if every Bernie Sanders supporter voted for Clinton, he would bring 13.2 million votes to the table. About 68 million people will vote for the winner this election. Let's say it's Hillary. That means Bernie brings a verifiable ceiling of 19.4% of what it will take for Hillary to win.

So technically speaking, he isn't entitled to half a loaf. He's entitled to 19.4% a loaf. That's because he's a liberal who ran a liberal platform in a center-left party. But this is a center-right country and independents vastly outnumber democrats and republicans, and moderate/conservative independents hugely out number liberal independents.

Hillary governing from the center/center-left rather than the left is actually EXACTLY representative of the coalition that will make her President.

Obama had a liberal mandate and his first action was to sell out to Wall Street, so anyone who pays attention isn't going to believe for a second that Clinton is going to be more liberal than Obama. Under a Clinton administration, liberals will be lucky if we aren't at war with Russia in the first 100 days.

One of the few good things Obama has done was to sabotage early efforts to get us more deeply involved in Syria. Now, I'm not sure if this was purely accidental, and that he is just incompetent when it comes to getting this country involved in pointless wars, or if he did it on purpose as a blow against the warhawks.

[Matchles]

How many hours until we know who's POTUS? I'm Canadian so I've no clue.

Here are the poll closing times. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G16/cl...html?format=gc

We won't know who wins until they start calling races. Keep an eye on North Carolina and Florida. If either of those is called for Clinton it is over, she wins.

Edit: if she doesn't win either, we will likely have to wait till Nevada is called to be sure.

[Al Gorefiend]

or die stupid

Nowhere did I mention voting for Trump.

[Christonya]

Hey guys,

What happens with the Us' relationship with Canada if either of these peeps win?

Trump? Probably nothing

Hilary? Depends. If her no fly zone push escalates to a war with russia we will likely be forced into a similar position of ww2 where we provide support / troops to the US. If it doesn't. Then nothing.

[mvaliz]

Hey guys,

What happens with the Us' relationship with Canada if either of these peeps win?

I pray they don't shut the borders down before I make my escape up there if Donald Dump wins. =/

If Hillary wins... I should imagine absolutely nothing will happen to Canada. Why would you even ask that?

[infinitemeridian]

Trump? Probably nothing

Hilary? Depends. If her no fly zone push escalates to a war with russia we will likely be forced into a similar position of ww2 where we provide support / troops to the US. If it doesn't. Then nothing.

>he still thinks we will go to war with Russia

Can we stop with this fearmongering already? It was old 5 months ago, it's old now. Russia won't go to war with us.

[mvaliz]

You either die fighting, or die a coward.

You forgot the third option:

You die as a mere statistic... a basic footnote in history for generations to learn what NOT to be or become.

[anyaka21]

It really isn't. They're using the discrepancy between exit polls and actual results to infer "fraud".

That's why we have peer review.

It does what it essentially was designed to do. Show a bigger discrepency than there ever has been by comparison, then doing probability and statistics to back it up.

So no, it doesn't prove anything, but it definitely shows implication, and should bear further study.

Further, the other thing Hillary pundits also don't even want to mention are all the extra stuff that shows how simple it would be to rig electronic voting.

Thus, obvious motive, shows means and opportunity.

Further, and at this point, sure, its not provable that any tampering was done because of the simple fact that there is no paper trail.

Thus, it should worry people. Hell, regardless of election, this should worry people immensely. The fact that people are dismissing this out of hand as a conspiracy theory in an era where hackers have done what they have to throw chaos into this election, should at bare minimum, have anyone who votes concerned, because the next election, the tables will likely switch.

[Skroe]

I really hope we can put all this Clinton = World War III with Russia stuff in a time capsule so we can come back in a few years and laugh at how stupid people act on that topic.

[Christonya]

>he still thinks we will go to war with Russia

Can we stop with this fearmongering already? It was old 5 months ago, it's old now. Russia won't go to war with us.

The thing is, they've thrown their support in with Syria, and Russia couldn't afford to look weak against the US. So if she imposed a no-fly zone, they would be obligated to go to war.