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    I voted early, which is a good thing considering even then the line was longish. Thats what we get for having extra polling locations close, and the ones that are chosen are BADLY located. Who thought choosing a location with only 5 parking spots in the middle of a neighborhood was a good idea?

    That is directly responsible for one fat ass to threaten another fat person over who uses the single handicapped space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    It was the French that began the military intervention. It was the French that pushed for the UN resolution.
    With the US voting for and assisting in the pervertion of the resolution, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodraw View Post
    I wanted to vote Bernie Sanders ... But we all know how that went.

    So I voted for Trump. I trust him more than Hills.
    So, you wanted to vote Bernie because he was cute or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    With the US voting for and assisting in the pervertion of the resolution, yes.
    Yes, the US senate voted on it.

    I'm not seeing how this is all Hillary's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The UNSC didn't pass a resolution for military intervention. The UNSC passed a resolution for a no-fly zone, which was then perverted into a military intervention. This was pointed out numerous time by Russia and China whose votes for the no-fly zone had been misused. The US had the right to impose a no-fly zone, not strike ground targets or impose an embargo.

    You are passing for more ignorant with each post you make.
    http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl20...UNSCR-1973.pdf

    4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, not withstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory...
    {emphasis mine}

    No Fly Zone established in item 6. Item 7 allows for humanitarian aid flights only in no fly zone. Item 8 authorizes support of item 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodraw View Post
    I wanted to vote Bernie Sanders ... But we all know how that went.

    So I voted for Trump. I trust him more than Hills.
    Might I ask why? Because if you do trust him to do what he says, and what he says is in many cases definitely not what Bernie wanted, then how does trusting him align with Bernie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodraw View Post
    I wanted to vote Bernie Sanders ... But we all know how that went.

    So I voted for Trump. I trust him more than Hills.
    In other words, you never really stood behind what Sanders wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    Might I ask why? Because if you do trust him to do what he says, and what he says is in many cases definitely not what Bernie wanted, then how does trusting him align with Bernie?
    He is a hipster who thought Bernie was cute. There is nothing else that can possibly lead to his statement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl20...UNSCR-1973.pdf

    {emphasis mine}

    No Fly Zone established in item 6. Item 7 allows for humanitarian aid flights only in no fly zone. Item 8 authorizes support of item 6.
    Which, once again, didn't allow NATO to target Libyan government troops that are stationed, which they did. They actually did that on the very first eve of their operation, targetting sitting targets, barracks and the navy which was docked. They showed off with videos of cruise missile strikes on stationary targets.

    You can actually observe the flagrant violation in the case of Gaddafi's very death; Gaddafi's convoy was targeted in Sirte by French jets. Sirte's civilian population supported Gaddafi. What was the reasoning behind striking his convoy in a civilian area in which he has their support and doesn't threaten them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    In other words, you never really stood behind what Sanders wanted.
    Fight against the establishment.
    Oh I lost.
    Vote for the establishment :^).

    Given how much Bernie was against the Wall-Street class (and how much Hillary is in bed with them) its a political event that will humor me for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astigmatizm View Post
    Fight against the establishment.
    Oh I lost.
    Vote for the establishment :^).

    Given how much Bernie was against the Wall-Street class (and how much Hillary is in bed with them) its a political event that will humor me for years.
    This makes no sense. You realize Trump is a billionaire right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Most of west Europa disagrees with you, Trump has a very low confidence rating. Only 6% here.
    Its kinda amusing, the break-down in Trump support in Europe. Western Europe which has a long tradition of stable liberal democracy is overwhelmingly pro-Clinton. But in the ex-communist states, many of which are still basket-cases, and which have had a stream of authoritarian dictators, there's a lot of support for Trump.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astigmatizm View Post
    Fight against the establishment.
    Oh I lost.
    Vote for the establishment :^).

    Given how much Bernie was against the Wall-Street class (and how much Hillary is in bed with them) its a political event that will humor me for years.
    No Bernie was "Make sure republicans don't get in at any cost so social progress doesn't move back a generation or two thanks to republican supreme court nominations."

    Being a Bernie fan but siding with Trump is like Loving the Red Sox and cheering the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astigmatizm View Post
    Fight against the establishment.
    Oh I lost.
    Vote for the establishment :^).

    Given how much Bernie was against the Wall-Street class (and how much Hillary is in bed with them) its a political event that will humor me for years.
    So in order to fight the Wall-Street class the most effective strategy is to hand arguably one of their most publicly incompetent the reins of power directly? Again, I don't see how this train of thought makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    This makes no sense. You realize Trump is a billionaire right?
    That was booted from Wall Street, because he was too dirty for Wall Street. I bet there is nothing criminal about Trump's taxes, he just knows what it would mean if people realized what he used instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    Might I ask why? Because if you do trust him to do what he says, and what he says is in many cases definitely not what Bernie wanted, then how does trusting him align with Bernie?
    Because they were never "with Bernie", they were just "anti-Hillary".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    No Bernie was "Make sure republicans don't get in at any cost so social progress doesn't move back a generation or two thanks to republican supreme court nominations."

    Being a Bernie fan but siding with Trump is like Loving the Red Sox and cheering the Yankees.
    Yep. If you agree with Bernie's policies at all Clinton is the only choice. People are just being vindictive because Bernie lost the primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    1) Not sure which fantasy election you vote in, butPresidents don't win cities, but states.

    2) Lol@Dump winning anything in my state of Illinois, let alone Chicago. :P

    EDIT: Bah - misread the quote... i'm smegging tired. >_<

    Anyways, no - Chicago will be fine. Last I checked there were no armed 2nd amendment redneck "Yee-Hawdist" militias forming to protect Hillary Clinton.
    I'm definitely staying indoors tonight. I doubt there will be violence, but it's the first time in my history of voting days that I've thought it's a real possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakerOfWills View Post
    So in order to fight the Wall-Street class the most effective strategy is to hand arguably one of their most publicly incompetent the reins of power directly? Again, I don't see how this train of thought makes sense.
    Closing corporate loop-holes works rather well vs that class. I'd argue that Trump knows them well - hes admitted to using a few.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    No Bernie was "Make sure republicans don't get in at any cost so social progress doesn't move back a generation or two thanks to republican supreme court nominations."

    Being a Bernie fan but siding with Trump is like Loving the Red Sox and cheering the Yankees.
    Republicans are evil meme? If you think Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life is a simple decision (large topic of Supreme Court nominations) and not an immensely complex moral argument that still goes on to this day - then there's no discussing it really.

    Plus Trump said he'd leave most of those decisions to the States.

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    The commentary is just baffling to me.

    I get not liking some of what the US has done in Europe, and since Clinton was a part of the government at that time not wanting to support her, but then to throw the support behind the man who wants to give nukes to more people, who wants to bring back torture and attacking families of suspected terrorists, I'm not seeing the improvement here. Calling Clinton guilty of warmongering and then saying you are supporting Trump who is openly advocated violence even against his fellow countrymen, again just so very odd.

    And to say you were going to vote for Bernie Sanders, but since he's out might as well Trump is just...I can't even begin to understand that logic.
    Don't want to support Clinton cause of what happened, understand, but support the complete opposite of the guy who you say you would have voted for?

    And then the logic that Trump will close loop holes he's exploited? What? Why would he do it? What would be his gain?

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