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    Trump isn't going make any foreign policy changes. There's no votes in it because voters don't care about foreign affairs. Trump will let the bureaucrats in the foreign service handle foreign affairs like they've done since WWII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokas View Post
    pay what bills? you guys are in dept by far the most
    Because for generations we have insured your sovereignty while you used the money you should have been spending on that for your own ends. No more. Pay up.

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    He's just hoping he can dupe Trump into getting the West to remove the sanctions on him, Good Luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    Because for generations we have insured your sovereignty while you used the money you should have been spending on that for your own ends. No more. Pay up.
    NATO countries do pay the US already though.

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    Enforcing a no fly zone in Syria would have led to WWIII.

    Disaster averted for now...or it seems.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Trump isn't going make any foreign policy changes. There's no votes in it because voters don't care about foreign affairs. Trump will let the bureaucrats in the foreign service handle foreign affairs like they've done since WWII.
    This is true. I think that is why Pence was picked.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Magnus View Post
    NATO countries do pay the US already though.
    NATO countries mostly don't meet the 2% of GDP goal set by NATO. England, Greece, and Estonia meet that goal regularly; nobody else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    Because for generations we have insured your sovereignty while you used the money you should have been spending on that for your own ends. No more. Pay up.
    LOL, there's no way in hell we are paying any more than we already do. NATO can go fuck itself before we even think about paying a dime more than now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Cool, now all we gotta do is get those import restrictions on firearms taken away and we can finally start being allowed to buy all those Russian firearms that are available in Canada, but not the US, like the MP-446.
    A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadiru View Post
    NATO countries mostly don't meet the 2% of GDP goal set by NATO. England, Greece, and Estonia meet that goal regularly; nobody else does.
    That's a separate issue though not really related to how much is going to the US. If those countries started increasing their spending to even 3-4% of GDP, America would still be there just as strong has it is now. If you guys want to be the leaders of the world then you have to accept the sacrifices. You can't be a global super power and contribute nothing extra. You don't hear Russia or China complaining about how much money they pump into other countires economies because they see the value in it.

  9. #29
    The end of the Second Cold War is coming. And it was not short enough. The world can only benefit from good relations between Russia and USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    LOL, there's no way in hell we are paying any more than we already do. NATO can go fuck itself before we even think about paying a dime more than now.
    Pay up boys. 50% increase.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    The least surprising news of the past 24 hours.

    So, how long before Russia takes back another country of the former USSR while the US does nothing but walk away from NATO?
    I've said for a long time that the Western Europe's decline has been enabled primarily by the fact they were able to outsource any task that required testosterone to the United States. The US letting Europe stick up for itself might just be the trick to them growing some balls, having cultural confidence, and actually functioning again.

  12. #32
    Trump + Putin = Beware ISIS and their supporters in the Saud family

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    For the sake of good relations, we should give Russia Sweden as soon as possible.
    Or just abba and ikea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Magnus View Post
    That's a separate issue though not really related to how much is going to the US. If those countries started increasing their spending to even 3-4% of GDP, America would still be there just as strong has it is now. If you guys want to be the leaders of the world then you have to accept the sacrifices. You can't be a global super power and contribute nothing extra. You don't hear Russia or China complaining about how much money they pump into other countires economies because they see the value in it.
    That's just the thing. More and more, the US is less interested in playing hall monitor to the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    That's just the thing. More and more, the US is less interested in playing hall monitor to the rest of the world.
    If only that was true. Seems to me more like the US wants to maintain it's super power status while putting in 0 of the effort to actually make that true. America has spent the last 71 years building itself up as a global leader and it takes more than just one election to flush that down the toliet. But hey, if the US wants to pull out of the ME and Africa and stop trying to push themselves on everyone, people probably wouldn't complain. More likely though that the Government will continue to stick it's nose everywhere while constantly complaining about dead weight allies.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    That's just the thing. More and more, the US is less interested in playing hall monitor to Saudi Arabia.
    Fixed for you there.

    The rest of the world was fine without 'hall monitor' and will be better without it, should it ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yggdrasil View Post
    Pay up boys. 50% increase.
    We'd rather leave NATO. We did it before, and we will do it again if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Magnus View Post
    That's a separate issue though not really related to how much is going to the US. If those countries started increasing their spending to even 3-4% of GDP, America would still be there just as strong has it is now. If you guys want to be the leaders of the world then you have to accept the sacrifices. You can't be a global super power and contribute nothing extra. You don't hear Russia or China complaining about how much money they pump into other countires economies because they see the value in it.
    The US is probably going to be a global superpower regardless of whether it gets NATO members to pony up some more cash. Frankly, the US has Europe over a barrel, since their choice in finding someone to follow is a non-choice: Germany won't do it, Russia is too weak to do it, and China's too far away to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    We'd rather leave NATO. We did it before, and we will do it again if necessary.
    That doesn't have the same threat appeal you think it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpcat View Post
    The end of the Second Cold War is coming. And it was not short enough. The world can only benefit from good relations between Russia and USA.
    Peace in our time - Chamberlain

    So you think Russia will not continue the war in Ukraine if US embrace isolationism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Trump isn't going make any foreign policy changes. There's no votes in it because voters don't care about foreign affairs. Trump will let the bureaucrats in the foreign service handle foreign affairs like they've done since WWII.
    And I doubt the republican base has warmed up to Russia yet. That socialism boogieman yo.

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