#CalExit? Are you kidding me?

[Rojaha]

People on the extremes of the political spectrum are such stupid drama queens. I remember back in 2008, all the really crazy Republicans were wondering if they should kill their children to spare them the forced Sharia law that was certain to come from an Obama presidency. Now we have Democrats saying the same type of stupidity. Apparently now there's "certainly" going to be Nazi deathsquads so we better drown our kids and slit our wrists.

[Sett]

50% voters aren't racist, sexist, xenophobic assholes. Thinking that they are is something you would do if you lived in a bubble.

They're not all three at once but you'll be damned to not find at least one or two of those traits in the heavy red areas.

[Mormolyce]

If California became a country it would have almost twice the population of Australia.

I am a Californian, one who voted FOR Trump as a matter of fact, and to this I have to say: "Are you FUCKING kidding me?" California has the biggest say in the election every fucking time. California gets a monstrous 55 electoral votes, more than any other state in the country.

California has 55 EC votes out of 538 total.
California has a population of 38.8 million out of 318.9 million total.

So that's 1.4 EC votes per million inhabitants. The US total is 1.7 EC votes per million inhabitants. So... it's significantly underweight?

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Trump won 33% of the Cuban vote in Floria, highest of any Republican candidate. Also, despite 80% of the black vote going democrat, guess it means ALL livs matter politically.

All the ones that live in states with disproportionately high EC votes that is.

What with more Americans voting for Hillary than Trump.

[Cerus]

If you want a democracy governing the USA, then the majority of voters should decide who wins the election. If you don't want a democracy governing the USA, then it's fine the way it is.

The majority of states elected Trump.

Ps. We're a republic not a democracy.

[Rasulis]

The US does not want CA to leave the Union. The US will be losing 11 major ports, including nos. 1, 2 and 5 busiest ports in the US.

[Ragedaug]

Either chose to uphold your democratic ideas or not. You sure as hell can't have it both ways.

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Editing this to give further insight regarding my first sentence as I'm getting a lot of quotes on it. If the majority wants their "CalExit" what's the purpose of one single person's opinion on it, under a democratic concept.

#1 The U.S. is not a Democracy. It's a Republic.
#2 Because of #1, we are not mob ruled, so we don't just get to take a vote as a nation every time we want to do something.
#3 There are rules in place to stop states from succeeding.
#4 I'm against those rules. I believe if a state can decide to join, they can decide to leave.
#5 I think you picked up on it, there's not many folks who would fight to keep California in the Union.

Many liberals in the liberal-heavy state of California are hurt right now because their "side" lost. Many of them probably feel like they should leave and make their own country.

Most conservatives know that that the majority of the population of California looks down upon them in disdain and disgust, which is why they are fine with California leaving the party.

Leaders (both DNC and GOP), who are less focused on their emotions know that both California and the U.S. are stronger together than apart. Since the democratically elected leaders of both sides know this, they have no vested interest in separating CA from the U.S., and because in a Republic they make the rules, California will stay. They'll just be upset until the next Democrat president is elected.

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If California became a country it would have almost twice the population of Australia.



California has 55 EC votes out of 538 total.
California has a population of 38.8 million out of 318.9 million total.

So that's 1.4 EC votes per million inhabitants. The US total is 1.7 EC votes per million inhabitants. So... it's significantly underweight?

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All the ones that live in states with disproportionately high EC votes that is.

What with more Americans voting for Hillary than Trump.

And? The Horrible two party system and cult-like party loyalty would mean a Democratic election 100% of the time. Let me ask you a simple easy question.

Would Teddy Roosevelt be elected today if he ran against Hillary?

[Rojaha]

Why does not going to college make you a retard? Maybe they made different life choices? What did you learn in college that made you so much more prepared to shape the future of the country?

I agree. How smart is someone really, when they're in college until they're 30+ and end up working at Starbucks because their degree in non-binary pronouns is useless for anything other than starting a patreon?

[Mormolyce]

What was it that Churchill said? Something about democracy being the worst form of government in the world, except for all the others? That is true about our particular brand of it, in my opinion.

Churchill was actually quoting someone else, he didn't originate that quote.

My favourite "quote Churchill maybe said" is:

"The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"

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All the ones that live in states with disproportionately high EC votes that is.

What with more Americans voting for Hillary than Trump.

And the Electoral College is there to stop people from Campaigning purely for New York issues or Californian Issues and gaining presidency. What if a President put forward plans for Federal Water rationing.

Good for California, Bad for Wyoming. But Wyoming would never have any say against it compared to California.

[Rasulis]

Not really. The Reality of California is it's propped up. It's a tax haven for American businesses and an artificial fruit bowl area. California is already having issues with Water supplies because alot of Farmers have moved their stock to Almonds and Kiwi Fruit that demand ALOT more Water than Naturally permeable in California.

Thats the beauty of CA economy. Despite being the no. 1 agricultural state in the US, agriculture is less than 2% of CA gross domestic product.

[Mormolyce]

And? The Horrible two party system and cult-like party loyalty would mean a Democratic election 100% of the time. Let me ask you a simple easy question.

Would Teddy Roosevelt be elected today if he ran against Hillary?

Chin up buddy, the rest of the US would struggle to ever get a non-Republican candidate elected again.

But you know, people being what they are what would ACTUALLY happen is that the right in California would re-orient itself with breakaway centrists and form a new party, so that the political system would eventually be a more representative split of the opinions of Californians instead of the US in general.

The same thing would happen in the remaining US.

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Thats the beauty of CA economy. Despite being the no. 1 agricultural state in the US, agriculture is less than 2% of CA gross domestic product.

Yet it's a big sector of jobs in California. It dies, then suddenly those Millions of Legal and Illegal Immigrants working on the farms are out of jobs, and suddenly Calfornia is a bit less democrat.

CA's Economy is artificial and like London's a detriment to the economy of other places in America.

[Mormolyce]

And the Electoral College is there to stop people from Campaigning purely for New York issues or Californian Issues and gaining presidency. What if a President put forward plans for Federal Water rationing.

Good for California, Bad for Wyoming. But Wyoming would never have any say against it compared to California.

A flimsy justification for allowing a Wyoming vote to count for more than three Californian votes.

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Chin up buddy, the rest of the US would struggle to ever get a non-Republican candidate elected again.

But you know, people being what they are what would ACTUALLY happen is that the right in California would re-orient itself with breakaway centrists and form a new party, so that the political system would eventually be a more representative split of the opinions of Californians instead of the US in general.

The same thing would happen in the remaining US.

You mean like what Teddy Roosevelt managed to do when he did not get chosen as Republican candidate, greated the Bull moose Party, that had alot of power in California.

He still needed to bow to the Two party system and rejoined the Republican party because of cult mentality. You want full Democratic representation? Do away with the cultural biases and Media corruption first.

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A flimsy justification for allowing a Wyoming vote to count for more than three Californian votes.

Why? Because A president could literally campaign for things that would be bad for some states, but would be good for California, Illinois and New York? You saw how Hillary bought out the media, spewing a rampant wave of bullshit about Trump being evil as hitler, that he was anti-black, anti-lgbt, anti-mexican Anti-Islam.

Because he suggested we stop illegal immigrantion and vet Muslim immigrants harder.

[Mormolyce]

The majority of states elected Trump.

Ps. We're a republic not a democracy.

The state electors in the electoral college are pledged to vote Trump by the rules of the EC.

Why should states elect Presidents? Why not the people? This is a relic of a time when states were independent colonies wary of joining into a union and trying to selfishly hold onto as much influence as they could get their mitts on.

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The state electors in the electoral college are pledged to vote Trump by the rules of the EC.

Why should states elect Presidents? Why not the people? This is a relic of a time when states were independent colonies wary of joining into a union and trying to selfishly hold onto as much influence as they could get their mitts on.

Because a President is a President of a Republic, they need to be sure the President has the best interests and the confidence of STATES, not a just a few very populated states.

[Kaleredar]

Welcome to a Republic Democracy, Where the uninformed Majority cannot bully the minority. Or do you agree in that?

Well seeing as Clinton won the popular vote, it seems the uninformed minority is oppressing the informed majority.

[Rasulis]

Yet it's a big sector of jobs in California. It dies, then suddenly those Millions of Legal and Illegal Immigrants working on the farms are out of jobs, and suddenly Calfornia is a bit less democrat.

CA's Economy is artificial and like London's a detriment to the economy of other places in America.

Actually the rural agricultural area tend to vote Republicans.

http://graphics.latimes.com/la-na-po...ts-california/

Not sure what you meant by CA economy is artificial. In my opinion it is pretty balanced. In Texas, and many other states, the energy sector is king. CA economy on the other hand is balanced. No one sector overshadow everything else.

[BannedForViews]

That is not democracy though.

Just saying that for the nation who likes to be touted as the leaders of the free world, they have a funny idea of how much everyone's freedom should be worth. Democracy is for every vote to be worth the same.
It's messed up wether you like it or not. But the democrats should have tried to change the system while Obama was in office. It's not the first time this happens. It was messed up the first time, but this time it was just daft.

Most people who dislike the electoral college do so for the wrong reason. A popular vote means nothing unless every single voting aged person is required to vote. What needs to actually happen is that states need to no longer get set electoral votes, but the individual districts do. Every congressional district should have 1 electoral vote, and the winner of that vote should be tabulated based on how each district votes. Districts are broken down by population size so everyone's vote will have a similar value. You then know you're always voting to send 1 vote for the president, instead of being disenfranchised in most states.

The reason this won't happen though is quite obvious if you ever look at a color map of a presidential election. A Democrat will never again be President in the US if this happens. So all you liberals crying about this, you may want to pipe down.

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Well seeing as Clinton won the popular vote, it seems the uninformed minority is oppressing the informed majority.

Majority of votes, not majority of potential voters. Popular vote means nothing.

And her Husband won it with what, 40% of the vote? So calm down there.