Does europe stand a chance if Russia or America invades?

[Azadina]

The only question that needs answered, is whether or not Russia cares about abysmally high casualties? If not, then no, Europe won't have much of a chance, if nukes are out of the equation.

[Xires]

id guess us/russia would win, but they wouldnt roflstomp all over europe. its just too big and there IS what could be construed as an army.
also, if either of one did that, the other one would rush to the aid probably

1. Europe has no strong Army.
2. Rush to each others aid with what? The US had to move more forces back to Europe to protect Europe from Russia- if the US/Russia wanted to invade Europe...short of nukes...their is nothing Europe could do but fight for a year or two. England wouldn't come to your aid either as they are leaving the Eu and have always had closer ties to the US then with any other Euro nation.
3. the US itself has a bigger military then all of Europe AND Russia combined.
4. Your answer to counter a US invasion by drafting European millennials would only mean more prisoners for the US and Russia to take.

We would infact "roflestomp" all over Europe. Fortunately for you- that is and has never been the goal. Just fearful ultra-left regressives in Europe that still haven't let reality sink in.

[jimboa24]

The only question that needs answered, is whether or not Russia cares about abysmally high casualties?

Have they ever?

[Ghostpanther]

America? lol. That is so silly. We have no reason to. Russia? I am sure the European countries are capable of defending themselves.

[Azadina]

Have they ever?

No, and that's exactly why they beat Nazis. So would they this time, or not?

[Gimlix]

The only question that needs answered, is whether or not Russia cares about abysmally high casualties? If not, then no, Europe won't have much of a chance, if nukes are out of the equation.

According to wiki, both have around 1M militairy though.
Should be some resistence.

[jimboa24]

No, and that's exactly why they beat Nazis. So would they this time, or not?

That's my point, and the answer is of course not. They're on the same page as China is in terms of their solution to every military problem being "just throw more bodies at it."

[Deleted]

Why would the US invade Europe in the first place?

[Gimlix]

No, and that's exactly why they beat Nazis. So would they this time, or not?

They beat the Nazi's because the whole world joined in and Nazi Germany had to defend way to many fronts for their army size.
If it was russia vs germany, i wouldn't been surprised if russia was completely destroyed by the wehrmacht.

[Xires]

Your post make it look like EU can be stomped by almost any country. And i very much doubt that.
EU has alot of small ELITE armies.

And how stronger the soldier, how better your army is. Just look at germany back in WW2. how they claimed so many lands, with small numbers.

The Germans had millions of well trained and well equipped soldiers. The EU doesn't have that. The EU of today is literally nothing like how Europe of old was.
Right now the US has sent its largest shipment of AMMO to the EU because the EU doesn't have ammunition for its forces in the event of a Russian invasion....

So if you don't have ammunition for your already small forces then you can't fight.

Elite small forces? You realize all western armys basically have the same ability's only the US has much more because it has a bigger budget and has over a decade over experience.
The US has 10 Super Carriers and all of Europe can't match that. The US has over 14,000 fighters with thousands of more being produced...Europe is no where near close to that.

Basically if the US/Russia wanted Europe they could just take it. We don't want Europe as anything more then a trading partner. To even think that suddenly we would invade Europe only shows how much fear mongering the left-wing media has done.

[Gimlix]

The Germans had millions of well trained and well equipped soldiers. The EU doesn't have that. The EU of today is literally nothing like how Europe of old was.
Right now the US has sent its largest shipment of AMMO to the EU because the EU doesn't have ammunition for its forces in the event of a Russian invasion....

So if you don't have ammunition for your already small forces then you can't fight.

Elite small forces? You realize all western armys basically have the same ability's only the US has much more because it has a bigger budget and has over a decade over experience.
The US has 10 Super Carriers and all of Europe can't match that. The US has over 14,000 fighters with thousands of more being produced...Europe is no where near close to that.

Basically if the US/Russia wanted Europe they could just take it. We don't want Europe as anything more then a trading partner. To even think that suddenly we would invade Europe only shows how much fear mongering the left-wing media has done.

Not really. I was just wondering how EU was standing compared to the US

[micwini]

No because when one of them invades, the other one will probably come to their aid. If russia invades US, EU will help. It's a triangle.

[Xires]

According to wiki, both have around 1M militairy though.
Should be some resistence.

The problem is Europe doesn't even have the ability to properly equip their forces. The largest supply of Ammo from the US to Europe arrived not too long ago because Europe has no ammo for its forces. If you can't supply your own forces....you would lose very quickly. In an all out conflict Europe would be out of ammo in about two weeks.

[apepi]

Why would the US invade Europe in the first place?

Why would we invade a place that we already control?

[Xires]

Not really. I was just wondering how EU was standing compared to the US

Its standing is VERY bad. We just sent Europe a large shipment of various Ammunitions to supply their forces for them because they themselves can't. That should tell you the state of Europe's military....it is weak.

[Gimlix]

The problem is Europe doesn't even have the ability to properly equip their forces. The largest supply of Ammo from the US to Europe arrived not too long ago because Europe has no ammo for its forces. If you can't supply your own forces....you would lose very quickly. In an all out conflict Europe would be out of ammo in about two weeks.

How is that even possible? Does nobody in EU care about a strong trained funded army?

[Deleted]

Why would we invade a place that we already control?

Exactly. /10char

[Xires]

Against US?

We will fall no doubt about it, while EU cut a lot of military budget the continent is still big and Germany/France still have a ''decent'' army, so even tho US will win in the end the casualties and the economical lose will be to big for both to actually call US a winner

Against Russia?

Is that still a thing? Russia don't have the economical power to sustain a full war against EU, ignoring the nukes, Russia is not a threat for EU at the moment, and the moment EU will start building their own unite army and throw some bones to the military budget the Russia threat will be a nightmare of the past in my book

Russia IS a threat to Europe. If you were paying attention earlier this year we did combat exercises in Poland against a mock Russian invader and we found out that in just 3 days Russia would be able to take over eastern Europe.
I don't think you understand just how badly the US could beat someone (especially the EU) in a large scale conventional war and just how much of a threat and how much blood the Russians would be willing to lose in a war against Europe that is NOT supported by the US.

[Docturphil]

Hell, even if it went nuclear, I'd still bet in favor of a Euro/U.S. alliance.

We might win in such an event, but it would be extremely disastrous. Mutually assured destruction didn't go away after the cold war. If I had to guess I would say a small fraction of the US population would be left afterwards. Most/all major cities would probably be obliterated.

[Deleted]

There's no way in hell an US-Russian combination force could take Europe in this day and age, France alone would send them packing.