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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    This is actually something I'm pretty sure was the case: Hillary was the actual mastermind during the Bill's presidency. Hence all the jokes about Hillary being the first black female president of the US. But yes, I suppose, calling it a dynasty was a bit far-fetched.
    Honestly, I think is something that really hurt Hillary in this election - that while she presents herself as some kind of feminist crusader, she's perfectly willingly to conform to gender norms if it means being able to elbow herself into a position of power. She clearly has an inflated sense of her self as an inspirational figure and role model to women, I can imagine that many of them are turned off by the way she tried to sneak into the corridors of power through the back door rather than taking the patriarchal system head on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    paul ryan announced they are moving forward with removing medicare and forcing seniors to use private insurance instead after the repeal of obamacare

    lots of seniors in my area were Trump supporters that use medicare and social security. they are about to get one hell of a shock.
    Excellent news!!!!

    The old white boomers who voted republican and hate socialism are getting exactly what they deserve. Could not happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Excellent news!!!!

    The old white boomers who voted republican and hate socialism are getting exactly what they deserve. Could not happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
    can we both relish at their suffering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    You do not understand, Hilary lost MILLIONS of voters that showed up democrat in 2008 and 2012. They didnt vanish as the republicans numbers stayed basically the same. She lost them, she could not get them to show up again. Had she, it would have been an easy win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    His facebook post about this was SPOT THE FUCK ON. As always my man Bernie is on fucking point:

    It's not only the right thing to say and do it's the politically savvy thing as well.
    Yes, as much as I feel that his policies are quite naive and he often talks more about general things than details... I really-really like the way he treats Trump's victory. No frustration, no desperation, just calm, pragmatic attitude. Despite his policies, in contrast to Trump, I think he is a person who sends the right message with his speeches. It would be interesting to see him working as president.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macaquerie View Post
    Honestly, I think is something that really hurt Hillary in this election - that while she presents herself as some kind of feminist crusader, she's perfectly willingly to conform to gender norms if it means being able to elbow herself into a position of power. She clearly has an inflated sense of her self as an inspirational figure and role model to women, I can imagine that many of them are turned off by the way she tried to sneak into the corridors of power through the back door rather than taking the patriarchal system head on.
    Perhaps. There are many things that hurt her significantly, and not the least of them is her self-confidence: on all the debates, it was clear that she didn't even consider that Trump could beat her. I assume it was off-putting for many people to see such overblown confidence, even arrogance.

    Hillary isn't a likable candidate. She is very-very smart and experienced, her policies are excellent, her competence is through the roof - but she just isn't the kind of person with a spark, who ignites the crowd with her speeches. Trump, sadly, turned out to be exactly such a person. His theatrical presence helped him a lot throughout the debates, and the campaign in general.
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    I can't explain it because I'm an idiot, and I have to live with that post for the rest of my life. Better to just smile and back away slowly. Ignore it so that it can go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    His facebook post about this was SPOT THE FUCK ON. As always my man Bernie is on fucking point:

    It's not only the right thing to say and do it's the politically savvy thing as well.
    Warren said basically the same thing. To paraphrase a couple things she said today:

    -We are going to lose on some things, so we need to be smart and pick our battles. We are happy to work with him on policies that will improve the lives of Americans, but on anything that doesn't respect all Americans equally, we will fight back every step of the way.

    -There are millions of people who voted for Trump not because of his bigotry, but in spite of it. We need to listen to those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    His facebook post about this was SPOT THE FUCK ON. As always my man Bernie is on fucking point:



    It's not only the right thing to say and do it's the politically savvy thing as well.
    I agree with this. Work with him if he actually plans on moving forward with negotiating trade deals, fixing the quality of life for working Americans and move forward with fixing or crumbling infrastructure.

    And work against him if he decides that him and his goons want to start heavy-handedly pushing through regressive social reforms or blatantly anti-middle/lower class legislation.

    His campaign won by the skin of their teeth and lost the popular vote by a not-insignificant margin. Remind them that they do not have a mandate to simply enact whatever policy they wish, and if they want to keep moving forward they'll need to cooperate with people representing the other 60million people who voted against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    Warren said basically the same thing. To paraphrase a couple things she said today:

    -We are going to lose on some things, so we need to be smart and pick our battles. We are happy to work with him on policies that will improve the lives of Americans, but on anything that doesn't respect all Americans equally, we will fight back every step of the way.

    -There are millions of people who voted for Trump not because of his bigotry, but in spite of it. We need to listen to those people.
    If only she'd ran instead of hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I agree with this. Work with him if he actually plans on moving forward with negotiating trade deals, fixing the quality of life for working Americans and move forward with fixing or crumbling infrastructure.

    And work against him if he decides that him and his goons want to start heavy-handedly pushing through regressive social reforms or blatantly anti-middle/lower class legislation.
    Now to be clear as much as I agree with their sentiment NONE OF THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN. It is politically savy to put the ball in his court but the expectation that a republican dominated house,senate and executive branch will renegotiate trade deals in favor of labor AGAINST DECADES OF FREE TRADE POLICIES is incredible naive. Frankly that's being civil, if you believe that and you voted with that expectation you're fucking STUPID. I don't think either sanders or warren are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Now to be clear as much as I agree with their sentiment NONE OF THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN. It is politically savy to put the ball in his court but the expectation that a republican dominated house,senate and executive branch will renegotiate trade deals in favor of labor AGAINST DECADES OF FREE TRADE POLICIES is incredible naive. Frankly that's being civil, it's fucking stupid. I don't think either sanders or warren are stupid.
    Oh for sure and, despite popular opinion, I believe the GOP as a whole are politically savvy enough not to piss away their chance at power by continuing to completely alienate the people who don't vote for them and then begin alienating the people who got them their majority. And if, god forbid, they are stupid enough to try and immediately shit the bed with sweeping social/poor finance reform they will see the consequences one way or another.

    Because, if this election has taught us anything valuable, is that marginalized or fearful people will shove back if they're pushed too far into a corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Found this linked on reddit:
    that directly supports what I am saying, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Oh for sure and, despite popular opinion, I believe the GOP as a whole are politically savvy enough not to piss away their chance at power by continuing to completely alienate the people who don't vote for them and then begin alienating the people who got them their majority. And if, god forbid, they are stupid enough to try and immediately shit the bed with sweeping social/poor finance reform they will see the consequences one way or another.
    This is the party that constantly talks about helping the littleman but always does the opposite. Expecting anything different is like a victim of domestic abuse going "but I can change him".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Oh for sure and, despite popular opinion, I believe the GOP as a whole are politically savvy enough not to piss away their chance at power by continuing to completely alienate the people who don't vote for them and then begin alienating the people who got them their majority. And if, god forbid, they are stupid enough to try and immediately shit the bed with sweeping social/poor finance reform they will see the consequences one way or another.
    To Mitch McConnell's credit (and I rarely give him any), he has already warned about the dangers of overreaching. He knows that there are plenty of social issues where the GoP is at odds with the majority of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    This is the party that constantly talks about helping the littleman but always does the opposite. Expecting anything different is like a victim of domestic abuse going "but I can change him".
    Maybe I'm just too hopeful then. Trying to make the best out of a bad situation so I don't have an anxiety attack over how aggressively stupid our political system can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Oh for sure and, despite popular opinion, I believe the GOP as a whole are politically savvy enough not to piss away their chance at power by continuing to completely alienate the people who don't vote for them and then begin alienating the people who got them their majority. And if, god forbid, they are stupid enough to try and immediately shit the bed with sweeping social/poor finance reform they will see the consequences one way or another.

    Because, if this election has taught us anything valuable, is that marginalized or fearful people will shove back if they're pushed too far into a corner.
    The GOP is politically savvy enough to know they have 4 years to do whatever the fuck they like. You can expect the following in short order:

    Repeal the ACA
    Tax cuts for the wealthy
    Deregulate Deregulate Deregulate
    Voter registration! (although apparently they don't need to bother if you run against a Hillary every 4 years)
    Fudge pack the shit out of the supreme court in order to stop fudge packing
    MORE GUNS!

    and probably more shit I can't even think right now it's late. NONE OF THAT POPULIST SHIT WILL GET DONE. They get voted out in 4 years who cares. They spent almost 8 blocking the dems and obama at every turn and were literally threatening to do the same for Hillary. Mccain went on radio and said we will not let Hillary elect a supreme court nominee well that's moot now isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    Perhaps. There are many things that hurt her significantly, and not the least of them is her self-confidence: on all the debates, it was clear that she didn't even consider that Trump could beat her. I assume it was off-putting for many people to see such overblown confidence, even arrogance.

    Hillary isn't a likable candidate. She is very-very smart and experienced, her policies are excellent, her competence is through the roof - but she just isn't the kind of person with a spark, who ignites the crowd with her speeches. Trump, sadly, turned out to be exactly such a person. His theatrical presence helped him a lot throughout the debates, and the campaign in general.
    I think Hillary's loss all but ensures that whoever does end up becoming the first female president will likely be someone charming and charismatic, but ultimately devoid of substance and little more than a puppet for donors and special interests.

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    it shows that if in 2020 the dems aren't stupid about who they nominate, it will be an easy victory given the multiple disasters we'll witness from republican control

    we know they are going to immediately ditch obamacare and gut/privatize medicare/medicaid. tens of millions of people will outright lose their coverage and millions more are going to see steep price increases.

    if they follow through on all of the other promises then it's going to hurt and enrage even trump voters. dems can't possibly be so stupid as to nominate another establishment candidate with the baggage of the clintons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    To Mitch McConnell's credit (and I rarely give him any), he has already warned about the dangers of overreaching. He knows that there are plenty of social issues where the GoP is at odds with the majority of the population.
    And a bit hope of mine is that the Democratic Minority can team up with the Non-Social Conservatives to keep the crazier shit in check.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    it shows that if in 2020 the dems aren't stupid about who they nominate, it will be an easy victory given the multiple disasters we'll witness from republican control

    we know they are going to immediately ditch obamacare and gut/privatize medicare/medicaid. tens of millions of people will outright lose their coverage and millions more are going to see steep price increases.

    if they follow through on all of the other promises then it's going to hurt and enrage even trump voters. dems can't possibly be so stupid as to nominate another establishment candidate with the baggage of the clintons.
    Maybe they'll pull an Obama again and put up a Charismatic Unknown who won't be bogged down by too much baggage from scandals or controversies. Plus, they already have a defense if they accuse them of not being experienced enough for the job!
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    Crook one got elected, crook number two didn't. Yup, this is not gonna change anything about my life which im in charge of. Neither of these 2 got anything to do with MY decision about MY life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    An increase in temperature of 6 degrees Celsius would be an extinction level event, but if we do literally nothing about it it'll happen around 2100, give or take a decade. There will be many many more presidents between now and then.
    Thanks for the bro-science, bro. Tinfoil hat activated!

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