Does europe stand a chance if Russia or America invades?

[Lemondish]

i am talking about in the last 20-30 years military wise.
like helping out in wars.

Most recently, they have intervened unilaterally in several conflicts mostly in Africa including in the Ivory Coast, Chad, Somalia, Mali, and the Central African Republic. They were a staunch ally in Afghanistan back in 2001 and during the Libyan intervention. Today, the French are part of the coalition in Iraq fighting ISIS.

So, quite a lot, actually.

[Dald]

Doesn't matter because none of that will happen

[Traveler Voltin]

Libya was just a few years ago.

i dont even remember the libya issue and i was following it for a few.

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Most recently, they have intervened unilaterally in several conflicts mostly in Africa including in the Ivory Coast, Chad, Somalia, Mali, and the Central African Republic. They were a staunch ally in Afghanistan back in 2001 and during the Libyan intervention. Today, the French are part of the coalition in Iraq fighting ISIS.

So, quite a lot, actually.

okay. i usually only hear about the U.S and the UK doing stuff.

[Hiricine]

There's such a significant difference between the conflict in Ukraine and Syria and a full European invasion that to compare them is ridiculous.

Of course the comparison is warranted. If they can't afford whats really a couple small scale military operations theres no way they could afford a full scale invasion.

[Zenotetsuken]

Well, now that Europe has inundated itself with suicide bombers Refugees, they now have a lot more bombs manpower to throw at anyone thinking of invasion.

[caervek]

Just wondering, If America or Russia is going insane and wants to take over whole of europe.
How hard can europe fight back? or will russia/america just destroy anything in the way?

In a fully non-nuclear war Europe would be fully capable of repelling either a Russian or US invasion. If it were nuclear Europe would be screwed but then so would it's attacker because nuclear exchange.

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okay. i usually only hear about the U.S and the UK doing stuff.

It was France that kicked off the debacle in Libya.

[Stocksy]

People are trolling they cant be that stupid in thinking the US stands any chance against any of them? Lol thats why the world laugh at how embarrassing the US is and its that sort of arrogance that leads to america getting beaten.

They couldnt even scratch the surface of afganistan and that was with british , australian and NZ help if they went it alone thousands more would have died and what for? Oil and the rothchilds bank

Iraq
Afganistan
Vietnam
To name a few that made america look stupid.

Americas only claim to fame is finding bin laden and again that is questioned by people as they never showed pictures and funny how that whole team were killed in a "training exercise" a few years later.

America are a joke thats why they have a bigot as president now that wants to make "america great again"

[Airlick]

how strong EU army is

EU army? There is no such thing.

Russia can't possibly take on combined armies of EU countries. It could only beat EU if it fought separately, as it was vs Germany during WW2. Germany + Poland alone could probably have a good shot at stopping conventional Russian army. This is obviously assuming a realistic scenario where Russia doesn't just move its whole army west, but only uses its western army groups, and doesn't use nukes. Nukes, even just tactical nukes used on airfields and other critical locations, shift the odds completely in Russia's favor, since there's absolutely nothing EU can do to stop them.

As for US vs EU? A complete rolfstomp by US in any possible scenario.

[PickleballAce]

People are trolling they cant be that stupid in thinking the US stands any chance against any of them? Lol thats why the world laugh at how embarrassing the US is and its that sort of arrogance that leads to america getting beaten.

They couldnt even scratch the surface of afganistan and that was with british , australian and NZ help if they went it alone thousands more would have died and what for? Oil and the rothchilds bank

Iraq
Afganistan
Vietnam
To name a few that made america look stupid.

Americas only claim to fame is finding bin laden and again that is questioned by people as they never showed pictures and funny how that whole team were killed in a "training exercise" a few years later.

America are a joke thats why they have a bigot as president now that wants to make "america great again"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

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You guys talk here and you have no freaking idea what you talk about.

EU have an unmatched military power, do some checking and see what military weapons are produced inside EU, then comment about that. If a war is coming to EU, what I hope will never happen, is very simple to give guns and fast recruit peoples, also activating all veterans. There is a reason why you are called veteran.

For Americans, do you have any idea how many guns you buy in your shops are actually produced in EU?

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As for US vs EU? A complete rolfstomp by US in any possible scenario.

This will never happen. If such conflict will happen we will basically blow up the planet earth.

[Airlick]

This will never happen. If such conflict will happen we will basically will blow up the planet earth.

Obviously it won't, it's just a theoretical discussion.

[draykorinee]

People are trolling they cant be that stupid in thinking the US stands any chance against any of them? Lol thats why the world laugh at how embarrassing the US is and its that sort of arrogance that leads to america getting beaten.

They couldnt even scratch the surface of afganistan and that was with british , australian and NZ help if they went it alone thousands more would have died and what for? Oil and the rothchilds bank

Iraq
Afganistan
Vietnam
To name a few that made america look stupid.

Americas only claim to fame is finding bin laden and again that is questioned by people as they never showed pictures and funny how that whole team were killed in a "training exercise" a few years later.

America are a joke thats why they have a bigot as president now that wants to make "america great again"

Pretty much this, it would be impossible for any country to take Europe.

[Tripax]

As for US vs EU? A complete rolfstomp by US in any possible scenario.

Without nuclear weapons? ....how?

[Deleted]

The EU was meant to be a economic alliance not a military one...that is what NATO was supposed to be for. NATO however isn't even keeping their part of the deal when it comes to how much they are supposed to spend on their military every year GDP wise. Trump brought that up and now that he is President elect he will be in a position to push the Europeans to honor their deal. The problem with NATO is it has no force projection and does not have the ability to sustain a large war. that is why the US IS the power house behind NATO and why the US actually pays for 70% of the costs to NATO despite their being 28 country's that are apart of it.

When Russia started pushing it weight around it was just after Europe had finally gotten the US to start dwindling down its military in Europe. We had just taken out the last of our battletanks in Europe when only a few months later we received requests from Europe to bring them back and then some...

The EU army is very very very small and they have ZERO battletanks. This was found to be a huge problem when we had war games in Poland earlier this year.
The Europeans thought that their wouldn't be anyone else who could go up against NATO so long as the US paid the tab and the soviet union was dead. They have found out that Russia is not dead and this goes back to the Romney Obama campaigns of 2012 when Obama laughed at Romney for saying that the Russians would be our next problem. Obama even made a joke saying "The 80's called...they want their foreign policy back" and like always...Obama was wrong.

Each European Army was supposed to maintain a certain readyness and standard and they haven't done it because they thought that large wars could no longer happen and they are very much wrong. The Russians and the Chinese are the wests future foes...not so much militarily but economically.

Having a strong military is KEY in the world stage and Europe forgot that.

Well, in the case of Germany people did not want the country which started 2 World Wars to become a military power again.

France has nuclear weapons, so this could probably be a check-mate for that.

And while I am a non-combatant (and female), I would surely enlist if there would be an invasion (when nukes are not in the picture). Or join a guerilla group.

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pls close this theard this is so stupid.......who would win ....doesnt matter many would die.....and for what do you want a war there is nothing to fight for so stupid

Agree with that, let's live in peace.

[Kuntantee]

err, thats really not how it works.

You think you can tactically strike without moving forces and making it obvious so defenses can be put in place to defend key infrastructure, also you do know Europe is big, you cant hit it all. and so on.

Some people have this really weird view of war, look how long it takes to assault a single city in the attack on Mosul.

by the way we have armies, we have equipment and some of hte most advanced weapons on the planet, no conflict has ever taken place between opponents at the level of the US and Europe. The US is too used to bombing defenseless civillians with drones.

USA has precision missiles. They don't use those missiles against terrorists, because they don't have factories. Europeans have factories and USA will target them. I don't have "weird view of war", you just are just relating two irrelevant warfare techniques. What kind of defenses are you talking about? Air shields will not be effective against vast missile strikes. Finally, you don't need target entire Europe, you just need to target three big countries. Should they fall, Europe falls.

[Sliske]

There are no winners in thermonuclear war.

So thank fuck we don't have Hillary (ayyy)

Anyway, excluding nukes, the combined forces of Europe vs America? It would probably be a 50 year war or more. America and a lot of Europe barely defeated the Taliban, how do you expect them to fight thousands times more troops with A LOT more equipment and manoeuvrability?

How do you win a war? Take out the leaders? Ok so America swoops in and takes out the leaders randomly. They now have several thousand different militias all over Europe fighting in small groups just like Vietnam.

Again it would be a 50 year+ war, there would be nothing left.

Or, just use nukes and sodoku the world.

Vs Russia, again it would just be a 50+ year war. Wars are won by troops on the ground. It takes A LONG ASS TIME to clear troops out of a CONTINENT.

[Deleted]

a) you don't "win" a war
b) heavy losses as our armies are ridiculously unprepared, untrained and under equipped yet determination would drag this out long

[caervek]

EU army? There is no such thing.

The EU has an all for one rule, if any member state is attacked then the union fights back as one. This is why neither Russia nor America has a hope in hell of successfully invading the EU.

[Deleted]

Pretty sure the numbers weren't cut, they were never that high in the first place.

Well, in the cold war era there certainly was a decent military force present in many Western European countries.
In the 90's and 2000's the military strength in many countries was lowered since they didn't see any reason after the fall of the Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain.
Many armies in Europe are also only maintained for spec-ops, bombing missions and fighting terrorism which make them kinda useless against a real army.

There actually was a news report today about the formation of a EU army that doesnt need to rely on the US. Guss well see if this will happen.