Trump's New Campaign Chairman, Steve Bannon. Here's What You Need To Know.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Riiiiiight. its ok to admit that you just swallowed what they put forth hook, line, and sinker.
after all, many americans did as well. its so much more easy than actually using, you know, critical thinking.

It's sad you feel that way, but I hope you do realize your theory sounds as crazy to me than my theory that the DNC and Clinton is corrupt throughout to you, right?

[starlord]

It's sad you feel that way, but I hope you do realize your theory sounds as crazy to me than my theory that the DNC and Clinton is corrupt throughout to you, right?

heres a critical thinking tip: false dichotomy.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

heres a critical thinking tip: false dichotomy.

I fail to see where I'm offering you some kind of false choice?

[downnola]

The fact that you act as if anyone who comes to a different conclusion than you is not rational is exactly why your argument is weak to begin with.

I made no such claim or even implied it. I've already gone back and forth with you over Wikileaks, and I'm well aware that you have your mind already made up. You've demonstrated that quite clearly when someone linked you an article, and you commented on it without even reading it. That's not a sign of someone who's willing to be wrong; quite the contrary.

And because that concept is so outlandish today, this is why America is more divided than ever.

But anyway, I've been stating repeatedly that I'm gay, that I suffer from GAD, that I'm a moderate left, that I voted for Justin Trudeau, that I'm an 3D artist for a living, that I've spent a good part of my life with minorities, yet people repeatedly stigmatize me as a Trump apologist, while all I'm doing is trying to moderate the group I believe is the most bigoted right now, which is the extreme left.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with me or my argument that Wikileaks is a Russian shill website. I'm a center-right libertarian--with no love for the left or the right--that's beyond annoyed with people who make excuses for foreign actors that fuck with my country's elections.

[starlord]

I fail to see where I'm offering you some kind of false choice?

i didnt say anything about hillary or the dnc.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

i didnt say anything about hillary or the dnc.

You are right. I did test the water in trying to project my feelings unto something I thought you would find relatable.

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I made no such claim or even implied it. I've already gone back and forth with you over Wikileaks, and I'm well aware that you have your mind already made up. You've demonstrated that quite clearly when someone linked you an article, and you commented on it without even reading it. That's not a sign of someone who's willing to be wrong; quite the contrary.



I have no idea what any of this has to do with me or my argument that Wikileaks is a Russian shill website. I'm a center-right libertarian--with no love for the left or the right--that's beyond annoyed with people who make excuses for foreign actors that fuck with my country's elections.

I did read the article, but did not find it convincing. There's a large array of reasons for that: First, Russia messing with us post-election. Secondly, it fits the narrative democrats tried to push. Third, it's a direct attack to free speech and the belief that governments should be transparent.

[alexw]

Hmm isn't this the guy that's a fascist? The one that wants to tear it all down (rep party, dem party, left/right media, etc ,etc) and remake it in his own (breitbart) image? I'm pretty sure he said something like that. That he wanted to follow the path of Lenin and take what currently exists and turn it into an authoritarian fascist state.

[downnola]

I did read the article, but did not find it convincing.

If you read the article before replying you would have known the article mentioned the FBI investigation. We both know you didn't read the article before replying, now you're just wearing out my patience.

There's a large array of reasons for that: First, Russia messing with us post-election.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean, you're going to have to elaborate.

Secondly, it fits the narrative democrats tried to push.

That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Third, it's a direct attack to free speech and the belief that governments should be transparent.

Leaking stolen information is not free speech, it's a criminal act. My country doesn't need people, who aren't even U.S citizens I might add, to hack and release government correspondence and military intelligence in the name of transparency. Democracy is a means and an end; brown shirt tactics can stay in Russia where they let their leaders get away with it.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

If you read the article before replying you would have known the article mentioned the FBI investigation. We both know you didn't read the article before replying, now you're just wearing out my patience.


I don't know what that's supposed to mean, you're going to have to elaborate.


That doesn't mean it's wrong.



Leaking stolen information is not free speech, it's a criminal act. My country doesn't need people, who aren't even U.S citizens I might add, to hack and release government correspondence and military intelligence in the name of transparency. Democracy is a means and an end; brown shirt tactics can stay in Russia where they let their leaders get away with it.

I'm testing your patience?

If that's the tone the discussion is taking, then it's time to end it.

As for everything else, claim whatever you want to claim, but I did read it - and honestly I couldn't care less about what you think on the matter.

Secondly, Russia is known for taunting the US. If you're trying to gauge the diplomatic impact you can have on a country, something as little as this is enough to often confirm a hypothesis.

The fact that democrats claims that does not invalidate, but the way it was brough forward is more typical of finger pointing than evidence.

And yes. Leaked information is free speech. Government transparency is mandatory in a democracy, but if the government won't do it, then Wikileaks is well within it's right to publish it (do note how I said publish -- because wikileaks did not steal. They've received several different types of e-mails from several sources, with the vast majority returning as true through DKIM validation). So while I'm disappointed that we didn't get e-mails from the GOP this time, I am sure we will have way more than enough in the coming years.

So yeah, I stand by my point. I will not continue this, after thoughts, and I'll go take some sleep instead.

[BuckSparkles]

I always find it amusing that liberals claim they are the party of tolerance, but yet I see sheer venom towards any minority that doesn't fall in line with their belief. Which, in turn makes me wonder who the actual racists / sexists are?

Consider: Assuming every minority or woman thinks exactly the same as if they were some hive mind.

Think about that. They think entire races think exactly the same. Doesn't that seem a little suspicious to anybody else? If a minority doesn't hold liberal beliefs, suddenly they are uncle toms or pets or self-hating.

[downnola]

I'm testing your patience?

If that's the tone the discussion is taking, then it's time to end it.

I'm glad we found some common ground. That's precisely where I was going with that statement.

As for everything else, claim whatever you want to claim, but I did read it - and honestly I couldn't care less about what you think on the matter.

Secondly, Russia is known for taunting the US. If you're trying to gauge the diplomatic impact you can have on a country, something as little as this is enough to often confirm a hypothesis.

First point: cool
Second: Taunting a country and interfering with their domestic affairs are two different things.

The fact that democrats claims that does not invalidate, but the way it was brough forward is more typical of finger pointing than evidence.

I'm glad you're willing to withhold judgment on the timing and the focus of the leaks and assume it's a coincidence but have no problem slinging shit at Democrats for calling a spade a spade.

And yes. Leaked information is free speech.

Going to stop you right there: No, it isn't.

I may have the right to write and publish whatever I think of the government, but I don't have the right to hack the Pentagon, or the DNC and RNC and distribute what I find on their email servers. One is the exercise of expression; the other is criminal activity and ultimately treason. You may think it's a noble act of transparency, but some of that information could easily get someone killed. If you want transparency, then petition for it; democracy is a means and an end or it's neither.

[Oktoberfest]

More propaganda from the Left to try and label people they dont like politically. most people are learning now to ignore the Left and the media

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Clearly it is Trump supporters who are being the violent ones

[oxymoronic]

Hmm isn't this the guy that's a fascist? The one that wants to tear it all down (rep party, dem party, left/right media, etc ,etc) and remake it in his own (breitbart) image? I'm pretty sure he said something like that. That he wanted to follow the path of Lenin and take what currently exists and turn it into an authoritarian fascist state.

O M G

hes a fascist

like OH MY GOD, can you believe it

hes a fascist

omg omg omg

-in liberal woman voice

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More propaganda from the Left to try and label people they dont like politically. most people are learning now to ignore the Left and the media

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Clearly it is Trump supporters who are being the violent ones

those people are disgusting people. every last one of them is a disgusting human being.

[May90]

And yes. Leaked information is free speech. Government transparency is mandatory in a democracy, but if the government won't do it, then Wikileaks is well within it's right to publish it (do note how I said publish -- because wikileaks did not steal. They've received several different types of e-mails from several sources, with the vast majority returning as true through DKIM validation). So while I'm disappointed that we didn't get e-mails from the GOP this time, I am sure we will have way more than enough in the coming years.

Classified information is classified for a reason. If you believe that certain information should be classified, then you should be against it being published. If you believe that no information should be classified, then there is nothing to criticize Hillary for, since you don't consider any information she had access to classified anyway.

It is one way or another, mate. You can't be for transparency only when it is convenient for you.

[jdbond592]

Jews finally get a friend in WH, for realz this time I wonder what they Israeli buffon Nitwitahoo is thinking right now..

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More propaganda from the Left to try and label people they dont like politically. most people are learning now to ignore the Left and the media

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Clearly it is Trump supporters who are being the violent ones

I think there is something something about something in 2nd amendment. Taking your country back from corrupt government. Let me guess, you hate our America and our Constitution?

[Deleted]

So how is that different to any of the CNN people exactly?

[jdbond592]

I'm testing your patience?

If that's the tone the discussion is taking, then it's time to end it.

As for everything else, claim whatever you want to claim, but I did read it - and honestly I couldn't care less about what you think on the matter.

Secondly, Russia is known for taunting the US. If you're trying to gauge the diplomatic impact you can have on a country, something as little as this is enough to often confirm a hypothesis.

The fact that democrats claims that does not invalidate, but the way it was brough forward is more typical of finger pointing than evidence.

And yes. Leaked information is free speech. Government transparency is mandatory in a democracy, but if the government won't do it, then Wikileaks is well within it's right to publish it (do note how I said publish -- because wikileaks did not steal. They've received several different types of e-mails from several sources, with the vast majority returning as true through DKIM validation). So while I'm disappointed that we didn't get e-mails from the GOP this time, I am sure we will have way more than enough in the coming years.

So yeah, I stand by my point. I will not continue this, after thoughts, and I'll go take some sleep instead.

Don't hold your breath on wikileak leaks on Trump administration.

Putin doesn't like defiance!

[Adam Jensen]

im loving this pick

the hate from the liberals make it worthwhile

Yeah, this is America, where we do things to "make the other side angry," rather than for rational reason. So long as it fucks the other team, right?

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and here she is kissing Byrd, ex clansman and her 'mentor'. don't forget she also praises margaret sanger.

Oh, you mean the guy who later in his life denounced his involvement of the KKK and expressed remorse for it?

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Good thing you didn't vote for corrupt Hillary and her Wall Street Ties (TM).

Trump is a man of the people!

Who lives in a golden tower in the middle of Manhatten . . .

[Deianeira]

I take the cancerous racist culture that normalizes racist speech all over the internet very seriously. Look at any comment section on any website. Shit is metastasizing and influences people's behavior in real life. Racists become ever more and more open because they no longer fear any social backlash.

I 100% agrees with this statement. Spot on.

[Vilendor]

What about that KKK leader guy who endorsed Trump? Sounds like he would be a good fit in this team!

Endorsed.... using your same logic did Hillary became an islamist when Saudi-Arabia endorsed and supported her with millions of dollars?

Ohh, and you keep forgetting, that it was Hillary who called "friend and mentor" a real KKK leader, Robert Byrd.


On topic:
Alt-right and Milo as racist white supremacists... can you guys go any lower?