Bernie Sanders for 2020.

[Macaquerie]

I have noticed the pattern to as have most others. One major exception to that this time was the Democrats actually had a ringer who would have cleared the board against anyone they were against. Sanders who was projected to win against just about anyone and who was getting massive support among their own voters against those actually exposed to him and what his views were and had a history to match the policies.

The Democrats just thought they had a sure thing with all the connections they had and going against Trump whom they personally helped hype to ensure that.

Against Clinton though, yeah, about anyone could have won against her which is why they tried to rig the GOP primary to get the most damaged person to run against in the general.

From what I could see, Sanders actually have views that could be seen as a FDR New deal democrat which was insanely popular back then and from all that was seen was just as popular now.

Realistically, it's probably less that Clinton had the entire system rigged in her favor, and more just that the Democrats were afraid of nominating Bernie because they didn't want to commit to backing up his policy proposals if he was elected. Sanders' ideas might be popular but most of them wouldn't be able to get past Republican obstruction, and the Democrats were probably wary of blowing what little political capital they had on policies that had little chance of getting through. Also, they were probably afraid of the potential for infighting within the party between moderates and progressives, since they can already see how intra-party factionalism has driven the Republicans off a cliff in the last few years.

[Fugus]

Realistically, it's probably less that Clinton had the entire system rigged in her favor, and more just that the Democrats were afraid of nominating Bernie because they didn't want to commit to backing up his policy proposals if he was elected. Sanders' ideas might be popular but most of them wouldn't be able to get past Republican obstruction, and the Democrats were probably wary of blowing what little political capital they had on policies that had little chance of getting through. Also, they were probably afraid of the potential for infighting within the party between moderates and progressives, since they can already see how intra-party factionalism has driven the Republicans off a cliff in the last few years.

I agree mostly. I honestly think that much of it were things they honestly didn't want to implement even if they knew they had 100% certainty of it getting passed. Honestly seemed like they were more interested in keeping the political football than giving an attempt at having a solution.

Most of his voters knew he wouldn't have gotten much it threw and a lot of it would be watered down, but rather to have him try, fail and keep trying till some of it gets through than having nothing tried at all or it being tried so weak before hand that by the time it got through it was borderline nothing.

And some of his views I read had some traction even among republicans from what I had read too so for them to vote against some of the stuff even their own supporters wanted would have been a massive hit for them. Both sides voter base was against money in politics and such. All he had to do is put that issue out and make it as public as possible either it would get passed and the nation as a whole would have been better for it or it would get shot down with those who denied it basically committing suicide in their own party when the Democrats and even other Republicans get to use that as a shot against him next election.

Even if 90% of his stuff never got through, just 10% of them would have been a massive improvement and emboldened many others with similar views to run for other offices and even for election in future presidential runs.

Oh well. Off to bed man. Won't be able to respond anymore. Night.

[Mormolyce]

I have noticed the pattern to as have most others. One major exception to that this time was the Democrats actually had a ringer who would have cleared the board against anyone they were against. Sanders who was projected to win against just about anyone and who was getting massive support among their own voters against those actually exposed to him and what his views were and had a history to match the policies.

The Democrats just thought they had a sure thing with all the connections they had and going against Trump whom they personally helped hype to ensure that.

Against Clinton though, yeah, about anyone could have won against her which is why they tried to rig the GOP primary to get the most damaged person to run against in the general.

From what I could see, Sanders actually have views that could be seen as a FDR New deal democrat which was insanely popular back then and from all that was seen was just as popular now.

Mmm, I'm dubious about the hype Sanders got personally. Someone that far left would be a big risk in any elections, and with the tide of anti-incumbency going back the other way he'd be pretty vulnerable. I suspect that's why he didn't get the nod.

In 2020, after 4 years of all eyes on Trump and a sting of failed promises with nobody else blame for it, maybe it'd be a different story. Probably not with Sanders though...

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Realistically, it's probably less that Clinton had the entire system rigged in her favor, and more just that the Democrats were afraid of nominating Bernie because they didn't want to commit to backing up his policy proposals if he was elected.

That may also be part of it - it'd most likely take at least 2 years to wrest control of enough of Congress to get anything passed regardless of who got in. So fat chance of getting anything with a whiff of socialism about it through.

[SL1200]

The future of the Democratic party isn't in a 75 year old man. It's time to look for someone a lot younger.

[Yvaelle]

The future of the Democratic party isn't in a 75 year old man. It's time to look for someone a lot younger.

President Ana Kasparian?




(I'm mostly kidding, just trying to think of young liberals)

[Lord Havik]

I was all for the Bern-meister back when he was running against Hillary... But when he abdicated to her and then endorsed her, I lost all respect for him.

The draw of Bernie for me was that he focused on pointing out the incestuous relationship between big banks, the federal reserve, (which is made of big private banks) and the Washington elite, specifically Hillary. He painted Hillary as a war-mongering corporate shill who was bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs. (An accurate depiction)

And after all that, he endorsed her. He friggin endorsed her despite her being the antithesis to each and every one of his convictions.

Sorry Bernie. You had one chance to get this die-hard capitalist to vote for an unrepentant socialist. I respected your honesty, integrity, and adherence to what you thought was right across the whole of your political career..... And then you fucked it up by proving your integrity is as flimsy as a hippie's wrists.

/much disappoint

[Vilendor]

President Ana Kasparian?

Back to the topic:
Dems will need a throw away candidate in 2020, because she/he will have no chance against Trump's second run.
So Bernie sounds perfectly good for that role, all they need to do is keep him alive until the election day.

[Deleted]

Worker class is exactly the kind of class he should be-able to take easy.

He doesn't blame enough on immigrants and brownish people sadly. That doesn't appeal to the worker class.

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I was all for the Bern-meister back when he was running against Hillary... But when he abdicated to her and then endorsed her, I lost all respect for him.

The draw of Bernie for me was that he focused on pointing out the incestuous relationship between big banks, the federal reserve, (which is made of big private banks) and the Washington elite, specifically Hillary. He painted Hillary as a war-mongering corporate shill who was bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs. (An accurate depiction)

And after all that, he endorsed her. He friggin endorsed her despite her being the antithesis to each and every one of his convictions.

Sorry Bernie. You had one chance to get this die-hard capitalist to vote for an unrepentant socialist. I respected your honesty, integrity, and adherence to what you thought was right across the whole of your political career..... And then you fucked it up by proving your integrity is as flimsy as a hippie's wrists.

/much disappoint

So basically he did the adult thing and accepted defeat then tried to work for the second best option. Yeah I see how someone with a kids mentality of "If I can't have something no one else should either" is appaled by that.

[Adam Jensen]

Capitalism was so cruel and brutal 100 years ago that people came up with an even worse solution, communism. Rather than make compromises that would take the wind out of communism’s sails, the 1 percent of the day decided to back fascism. This caused a war so catastrophic that the 1 percent understood they had no choice but to accept reforms that would make life bearable for regular people.

Then communism collapsed, taking the daily threat of nuclear war with it. Today’s 1 percent should be thanking God they got out of the 20th century alive and vowing never to make those mistakes again. Instead they’ve decided to make every mistake again and turn capitalism back into something that human beings cannot live with.

Any successful progressive movement needs to have a plan to stop them or they can't call themselves an opposition.

It's like they, especially the libertarians, all collectively forgot about the Gilded Age.

[Caolela]

It's like they, especially the libertarians, all collectively forgot about the Gilded Age.

It seems that people in this country can't even remember back to Reagan, Bush, and 90s Clinton, even an honest assessment of Obama (who like Bush should have been impeached) to not repeat the same mistakes again. It's like they have the attention span of a house fly.

They could just as well have voted for 3rd parties but always get stuck thinking there are only the two corporatist choices.

[Beazy]

No, according to Vox, Vice, MSNBC, WashPost, LA Times, its Chelseas Turn.


LoLx9000

[zenkai]

Bernie 2020 would be the perfect plot for a reboot "Weekend and Bernie's"

[Deleted]

Democrats need a complete rebuild, new blood who are in touch with the populous.

[ItachiZaku]

Probably wouldn't survive.

[Blackmist]

Hillary should be his VP. It'll be the only way she'll ever sit in the big chair.

[Beazy]

President Ana Kasparian?




(I'm mostly kidding, just trying to think of young liberals)

After her little "Trump wins" fit on TYT, Im 90000000% confident Anna K will never serve in public office.

[A dot Ham]

Maybe if his brain is in a robot body

Robots are not recognized as citizens. We have a long road ahead of us to liberate and give rights to the truly oppressed minorities... non-biologicals.

[Tijuana]

Do you think he will run? Normally the primary runner-up goes for the presidency in the next election cycle. That happened with McCain, Romney, and Clinton, so it sets an extremely strong precedent. The one issue is age, but if he holds up well, do you think he will run again? And if he chooses a youngish VP will he win against whoever the republicans put up?

To add to the debate this is what he has already said -



Plus it looks like the Bernites are making a play to replace much if not most of the democratic party leadership with a focus on swamp draining -

Well, Bernie already won this election (for Trump). Maybe next time Democrats will not cheat and give some of his supporters some credit.

[Gandrake]

After her little "Trump wins" fit on TYT, Im 90000000% confident Anna K will never serve in public office.

id grab her by the pussy

in my dreams

you know because that would be really awful to actually do to someone im not about that

[Vash The Stampede]

Bernie 2020 would be the perfect plot for a reboot "Weekend and Bernie's"

That... would be amazing. I'd still vote for Bernie in 4 years but that's just me. He needs someone younger and he should be the vice president.