7.1.5 for Rogues

[Shizokrs]

With nerfs to elaborate planning / Deeper Stratagem / crit and Shadow Walkers should I just bury my sub rogue into the dirt?

[Strah]

Did any other class get as many ner....I mean changes?

Yep, according to those notes fire is pretty much useless now.

[elfporn]

With nerfs to elaborate planning / Deeper Stratagem / crit and Shadow Walkers should I just bury my sub rogue into the dirt?

Nope. If you manage to get the new shoulders you'll do amazing dps as sub.

or you can reroll mage, arcane was buffed and is absolutely amazing on ptr

[Valnar]

Gouge was a perfect example. Anywhere that gouge is useful, BtE is even more so.

Gouge is a disorient, bte is a stun. Some things are stun immune but not disorient immune.

I think (not 100% sure) that mobs can become stun immune though dr, but not disorient immune though dr.

Gouge also generally has a shorter cooldown and can be free if you take the talent to do so.

[Shizokrs]

Nope. If you manage to get the new shoulders you'll do amazing dps as sub.

or you can reroll mage, arcane was buffed and is absolutely amazing on ptr

So what you're saying is Sub is only viable with Legendaries. Gotcha.

[Sephiroso]

Yep, according to those notes fire is pretty much useless now.

We clearly weren't reading the same notes.

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Gouge is a disorient, bte is a stun. Some things are stun immune but not disorient immune.

Gouge also generally has a shorter cooldown and can be free if you take the talent to do so.

When you're talking about using an ability in pve, you're not talking about its utility so much as its damage. BtE is used as part of your rotation for damage(not the stun) when you have legendary bracers. Gouge, no matter what legendary you have is absolutely pointless in pve. My point still stands as clear as day the second i posted it, you continue to be blind to it.

I'll restate it, not every ability we have needs to have a use in pve.

[Valnar]

We clearly weren't reading the same notes.

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When you're talking about using an ability in pve, you're not talking about its utility so much as its damage. BtE is used as part of your rotation for damage(not the stun) when you have legendary bracers. Gouge, no matter what legendary you have is absolutely pointless in pve. My point still stands as clear as day the second i posted it, you continue to be blind to it.

I'll restate it, not every ability we have needs to have a use in pve.

You do realize mythic+ is a thing right? Utility of gouge is definitely useful there.

[Mafic]

Did you see a reason to use gouge in pve? Not every ability needs to have a use in pve. Besides, you use BtE in pve when you have the legendary bracers.

Gouge = PotW

Between the Eyes was part of a reason why Shark Infested waters was nerfed remember? Are they going to revert the nerf to Shark Infested Waters?

[T18Z]

So they nerf subs only viable legendary by 50% and then implement a new mandatory legendary in the shoulders to take its place.

Is this some kind of sick joke? What the fuck are they even thinking with all of these class changes. They've literally gutted sub when it wasn't even our best spec yet and taken away the only legendary that made it viable atm.

[Sephiroso]

You do realize mythic+ is a thing right? Utility of gouge is definitely useful there.

Please. If you're in a group that's having to rely on you gouging something, then find another group.

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Gouge = PotW

Between the Eyes was part of a reason why Shark Infested waters was nerfed remember? Are they going to revert the nerf to Shark Infested Waters?

That wasn't part of the reason at all why SIW was nerfed. SIW is still strong enough so keeping it single is good when your cds are up, that says something since its post nerf.

[Deleted]

PVP will be a lot of fun with only 30% slow. Or are those changes only targeted at PVE (did not read anything regarding this)?

[Valnar]

Please. If you're in a group that's having to rely on you gouging something, then find another group.

Ok how about this?

Gouging aoe or ground based attacks so that other group members don't have to run out of them, thus increasing group dps.

Gouging periodically to reduce spikeyness of damage to let the healer get that much more dps in.

How is that for utility providing dps?

[Knj]

So, they just nerfed the most rewarding aspect of playing Assassination?

Sad days.

[Adalwolf]

The outlaw wrists are now 700% up from 400%

Can you confirm if Blunderbuss also got buffed? Wowhead says it was increased from 55% AP to 121% AP, which is a 120% damage buff.

The only way all these sub nerfs makes sense is if we get buffed somewhere else.

Can anybody confirm Shadowstrike still costs 35 energy on PTR?

It was quite obvious that the Subtlety's boots would be nerfed: no legendary should be that strong, because it sucks for those who don't have it.

[Maelstrom51]

The reality:

7.1.5 Patch Notes.

Rogues:
Shroud of Concealment is back.
Glyph of Vanish now makes Rogues vanish into a Purple smoke.

I laughed when I read this because that's what usually happens with rogues.

Now I wish that was what happened. Backwards changes all around.

[Deleted]

The Outlaw Bracers? What kinda of sorcery is that?

[Wow]

Can you confirm if Blunderbuss also got buffed? Wowhead says it was increased from 55% AP to 121% AP, which is a 120% damage buff.

Looks like it was Live lists my Blunderbuss at 176k ptr 353k that makes the wrists buff make even less sense.

[elfporn]

Can you confirm if Blunderbuss also got buffed? Wowhead says it was increased from 55% AP to 121% AP, which is a 120% damage buff.




It was quite obvious that the Subtlety's boots would be nerfed: no legendary should be that strong, because it sucks for those who don't have it.

except that the new shoulders are stronger than the boots are on live.

[Euphrum]

Looks like it was Live lists my Blunderbuss at 176k ptr 353k that makes the wrists buff make even less sense.

Makes perfect sense if they no longer want the wrist to buff Blunderbuss, just Pistol Shot only.

Edit: Same thing with Quick Draw I guess?

[Deleted]

just give back gouge and blind to all specs -.-