France To Shut Down All Its Coal Power Plants By 2023

[Arunu]

Meanwhile China will be laughing at the rest of the world emitting as much crap as they want while the rest of us are pushed into a permanent state of poverty and third world conditions

And no, human activity has NOT been proven to be causing climate change

Climate has ALWAYS throughout history been changing and has NATURALLY gone to much further extremes regardless of "carbon emissions"

You need to wake up and think for yourself

Funny, considering China is actually trying to get their shit together with clean energy but hey keep on slamming that Trumpette one liner in the Ether.

and yes, yes it has been, what you mean by "waking up and think for yourself " is "I dont give a crap about science, i just like calling people sheep cause they don't adhere to nutbag blogs and the likes"

[caervek]

Why not use green power instead of producing more nuclear waste

Solar doesn't work at night, wind doesn't work on a calm day. Unless you plan on building a rechargeable battery the size of Texas then renewables will never be an answer by themselves, only a supplement to nuclear or fossil fuels.

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While technically correct, you leave out one crucial aspect: Rate of change. For it to progress as fast as lately, "nature" required large scale desasters like massive earth quakes, huge volcanos and/or massive meteorites.

There is no scientific bases for this, records only go back about 200 years.

Climate change is an undeniable fact that has affected this planet since the dawn of time, man made climate change is an unproven theory. The planet has been hotter, it has been colder, it has heated up quicker, it has cooled down quicker.

[Deleted]

Impressive work from France! Last year they also made a law against food wastage that I really liked.

[Graeham]

Humans have not been proven to be causing climate change

And even if we were, a carbon tax pushed by an unelected global government that is exempt from restrictions is not an answer to the problem

Mm. Most governments are always looking for new ways to tax people - and even if global warming is a genuine issue it's not something the average person is going to be able to stop. The blame is often pushed on regular people just getting on with their lives and they're pressured into watching their 'carbon footprint' and yet in reality it's the big businesses, celebrities and politicians contributing a lot more with their wasted resources.

Heck, every time there's a 'charitable event' or 'urgent meeting' to discuss climate change it's the same bunch of high profile people meeting up for a luxurious experience, flying in from all corners of the world and having a good time. If they truly cared about their carbon footprint or wanted to lead by example then surely they'd lead by example and host the meetings digitally? It's not as if they lack the technology or security to be able to do as much.

[Zolaris192]

Funny, considering China is actually trying to get their shit together with clean energy but hey keep on slamming that Trumpette one liner in the Ether.

and yes, yes it has been, what you mean by "waking up and think for yourself " is "I dont give a crap about science, i just like calling people sheep cause they don't adhere to nutbag blogs and the likes"

Ya you sound like you thought Bernie sanders wasn't a weak little boy and that socialism is a good idea lol

[Arunu]

Ya you sound like you thought Bernie sanders wasn't a weak little boy and that socialism is a good idea lol

I'm Dutch.... (you can read on the noted location to the left you know)
But yeah, if you want an answer, he would have been the best option you had in my opinion.
Luckily for you, I don''t get to vote in the USA, so keep on rocking those hollow one liners and catchphrases. I'm sure the coal industry will be HUUUUGE again soon.

and with bigly results..

PS : you are a socialist country too ! i promise i won't repeat that too often for you so you don't get nightmares

[Zolaris192]

I'm Dutch.... (you can read on the noted location to the left you know)
But yeah, if you want an answer, he would have been the best option you had in my opinion.
Luckily for you, I don''t get to vote in the USA, so keep on rocking those hollow one liners and catchphrases. I'm sure the coal industry will be HUUUUGE again soon.

and with bigly results..

PS : you are a socialist country too ! i promise i won't repeat that too often for you so you don't get nightmares

Yup, we are, that's why our economy is suffering because the government keeps meddling in business affairs

Gonna come back here and laugh at all you climate babies when trump pulls us out of all the UN's bullshit "agreements" and all these multinational special interests throw a temper tantrum cause they can't cash in on what they are trying to do

[Arunu]

Yup, we are, that's why our economy is suffering because the government keeps meddling in business affairs

Gonna come back here and laugh at all you climate babies when trump pulls us out of all the UN's bullshit "agreements" and all these multinational special interests throw a temper tantrum cause they can't cash in on what they are trying to do

Is it ? ow ok, so you want unregulated Capitalism.. go right ahead then. I'm confident all the MEGA companies will play by the rules of morality this time.

[Vash The Stampede]

Why not use green power instead of producing more nuclear waste

Cause some people want to just glow at night. Some of us also want strontium 90 in our soft drinks. I heard it's good for your bones. Renewable energy? More like boring energy.

[Nihilist74]

Why not use green power instead of producing more nuclear waste

We can build nuclear reactors that do not have much waste and run on weapons grade plutonium.

We can run regular nuclear reactors and then put the plutonium from the waste into these reactors. It generates a lot more energy than green sources of energy. Thorium salt reactors have already been proven to work before this.
Unfortunately, Americans elected a pro-coal and pro-oil president and congress.

[Shadowferal]

NIMBY. Not in My Back Yard.

Yep!
On top of that, the ready supply of coal keeps the jobs going in a lot of states, and the economy keeps humming along.

[Zolaris192]

Is it ? ow ok, so you want unregulated Capitalism.. go right ahead then. I'm confident all the MEGA companies will play by the rules of morality this time.

Morality has nothing to do with business, that's what you socialists rely on is this fictitious garbage notion that people will "do the right thing" which is why socialism, when applied to an economy, always fails

Unless you talk about some small irrelevant country like denmark, which isn't even a truly socialist market

Capitalism is the only way

But crony capitalism with a bit of socialism, which is what plagues the US right now, is choking the economy out

[Garnier Fructis]

First it was global cooling

Then it was global warming

Now it's climate change

It was never global cooling. Stop trust the media to accurately report the scientists and consider looking into what was actually going on in the scientific community in the 70's. Global cooling was an afterthought, a 'oh and we can't rule out global cooling yet though we're pretty darn sure it's warming'. A few more decades of research has ruled out that remote possibility.

As for the whole global warming -> climate change? Think about what IPCC stands for. Both terms have been in use since the beginning. You're trying to insinuate that there was a name change to hide that there wasn't warming. Well there is warming, and there was never a name change because both terms have always been in use to describe different but related things.

Seriously, man. Instead of trying to find silly ways to dismiss the science, considering sitting down and actually learning what the scientific community is saying.

[Annoying]

It was never global cooling. Stop trust the media to accurately report the scientists and consider looking into what was actually going on in the scientific community in the 70's. Global cooling was an afterthought, a 'oh and we can't rule out global cooling yet though we're pretty darn sure it's warming'. A few more decades of research has ruled out that remote possibility.

As for the whole global warming -> climate change? Think about what IPCC stands for. Both terms have been in use since the beginning. You're trying to insinuate that there was a name change to hide that there wasn't warming. Well there is warming, and there was never a name change because both terms have always been in use to describe different but related things.

Seriously, man. Instead of trying to find silly ways to dismiss the science, considering sitting down and actually learning what the scientific community is saying.

Really, "climate change" is used as a term because a handful of people are really bad at understanding the whole "global" part of "global warming". "It's snowing here, obviously not warming! Here's a snowball on the Senate floor!"

[Yvaelle]

But crony capitalism with a bit of socialism, which is what plagues the US right now, is choking the economy out

The only way you solve crony capitalism is more socialism, you need regulations and oversight committees and consumer protection bureaus - so citizens have the power and visibility to see and stop cronyism.

What's Trump doing on this regard? Disbanding the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in his first 100 days.

Are you a consumer?
Do you have finances?
Trump has a donor from Wells Fargo, so now they get protection, and your finances!

Good job free market! Take from everyone, give to the one dude at the top.

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Really, "climate change" is used as a term because a handful of people are really bad at understanding the whole "global" part of "global warming". "It's snowing here, obviously not warming! Here's a snowball on the Senate floor!"

That's true - the other element though is that 'global warming' implies the planet might just get a bit warm but remain consistent.

Climate change implies a bit more chaos in the mix - which is the real problem to the apathetic:

"Yea yea, the temperature rose one degree, who cares? Damned scientists, fix my real problem - the tenfold increase in tropical storms ruining my Carribbean winter home!"

"Quit crying about a 3 degree increase and figure out why all the crops aren't growing! Idiot scientists, so fussy about temperature - when we have real problems!"


The planet is warming, but that doesn't seem to get people's attention because people like "warm", "warm" sounds at best positive, and at worst resolvable with a tall glass of ice tea and a better air conditioning unit.

Yet the problem of global warming is it disrupts carefully balanced ecosystems and weather systems all across the planet, that got used to our steady climate (including us humans). Whether it's manmade or not, the problem remains - if we want to preserve our way of life - we need to take some drastic actions to prevent the climate from changing, because a 3 degree temperature increase may not sound so bad - but all the shit that it disturbs along the way - that's the result we need people to focus on.

[Zolaris192]

The only way you solve crony capitalism is more socialism, you need regulations and oversight committees and consumer protection bureaus - so citizens have the power and visibility to see and stop cronyism.

What's Trump doing on this regard? Disbanding the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in his first 100 days.

Are you a consumer?
Do you have finances?
Trump has a donor from Wells Fargo, so now they get protection, and your finances!

Good job free market! Take from everyone, give to the one dude at the top.

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That's true - the other element though is that 'global warming' implies the planet might just get a bit warm but remain consistent.

Climate change implies a bit more chaos in the mix - which is the real problem to the apathetic:

"Yea yea, the temperature rose one degree, who cares? Damned scientists, fix my real problem - the tenfold increase in tropical storms ruining my Carribbean winter home!"

"Quit crying about a 3 degree increase and figure out why all the crops aren't growing! Idiot scientists, so fussy about temperature - when we have real problems!"


The planet is warming, but that doesn't seem to get people's attention because people like "warm", "warm" sounds at best positive, and at worst resolvable with a tall glass of ice tea and a better air conditioning unit.

Yet the problem of global warming is it disrupts carefully balanced ecosystems and weather systems all across the planet, that got used to our steady climate (including us humans). Whether it's manmade or not, the problem remains - if we want to preserve our way of life - we need to take some drastic actions to prevent the climate from changing, because a 3 degree temperature increase may not sound so bad - but all the shit that it disturbs along the way - that's the result we need people to focus on.

Wow do you even know how crony capitalism works?

Or socialism?

Because neither work for the common people in the end

[Yvaelle]

Wow do you even know how crony capitalism works?

Or socialism?

Because neither work for the common people in the end

Please enlighten me.

Crony capitalism is an inevitability in any capitalist system which lacks the regulation and oversight, to create the transparency and consumer power - to identify, punish, and prevent it from occurring. That comes from socialist ideals.

[Juvencus]

Solar doesn't work at night, wind doesn't work on a calm day. Unless you plan on building a rechargeable battery the size of Texas then renewables will never be an answer by themselves, only a supplement to nuclear or fossil fuels.

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There is no scientific bases for this, records only go back about 200 years.

Climate change is an undeniable fact that has affected this planet since the dawn of time, man made climate change is an unproven theory. The planet has been hotter, it has been colder, it has heated up quicker, it has cooled down quicker.

The last time the dominant organism on the planet changed the percentage of a gas in the atmosphere caused one of the most catastrophic extinction events in the history of Earth.
It's called the The Great Oxygenation Event and it wiped out almost all anaerobic life, which was pretty much the majority of life on the planet.

This event was culminating for ~1 billion years. And yet life, in its majority, did not adapt to the incremental changes.

Not to mention triggering another global event; Snowball Earth.

My point here is not fearmongering, because CO2 does not have the same properties of O2, but to show that the global ecosystem, despite its buffering capabilities, is quite fragile. And the data showing the rate and volume humans release CO2 correlates with the recorded increasing global temperatures. The fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas provides a causative effect to the correlation.

The chain follows with data from permafrost melting due to the increasing temperatures releasing even more CO2 and methane which is a much more potent greenhouse gas, creating a positive feedback loop.
And polar ice melting also causing a positive feedback loop with the reduction of reflective ice surface and the increase of dark ocean surface, absorbing more solar radiation.

These are just the major feedback loops. I haven't even mentioned ocean acidification from CO2 dissolving in water creating carbonic acid and the obvious consequences.

[IIamaKing]

Id be more than happy to trade Coal for Nuclear.

[Zolaris192]

Please enlighten me.

Crony capitalism is an inevitability in any capitalist system which lacks the regulation and oversight, to create the transparency and consumer power - to identify, punish, and prevent it from occurring. That comes from socialist ideals.

Crony capitalism - government working hand in hand with corporate interests to pick and choose who is successful and who is not, generating more profits for those that are working with the government

Socialism - lazy people getting lazier taking from those that work and contribute to society, INEVITABLY leading to conflict, it does NOT work