Why do people want Mythic Dungeons to be queuable?

[nekobaka]

I am fine with mythic being queuable as long as a firm and vocal stance is made that horrid groups comes with the territory and complaints will be ignored. Personal observation though is many who have complained about preform requirement are the same ones who complained about wipes in random queue content while being against mythic dungeons competing with LFR.

[yetgdhfgh]

If it was up to me everything would be queable

Iam one of those who believes if you wanna take a chance on a unknown group then you know what you are getting yourself infor and its not blizz fault if it fails on the first trash pack fail.

But isnt that what its like now? I mean we all know ilvel dont mean shit, achieves can be bought so most non queable pugs are crap shots anyway!

[beeftotem]

I would not mind that mythic's be queable I would just like to see the proving ground requirement come back(or something of that sort). I don't know about anyone else bUT in wod there was a community of people that could not get past the silver requirement for pg and where stuck in the normal dungeon que. I had watched a video of a youtuber that pointed this out, so the next toon I leveled I got enough gear to enter heroics but joined normals to see and boy o boy some of the groups where terrible. Back then heroics where a lot easier than doing normals unless you out geared the place and could carry the groups alone. Heroics now are easy enough 2 good players can carry the three other players but this is not so much for mythic 0. Does not have to be PG but something.

[Lioo]

Maybe because mythic 0 are a bit easy?
Or maybe because 830-835 people can not get into mythic 0 through LFG tool, as people want 850++ super fast runs there for quests mostly?

[Dracullus]

So Blizzard came up with compromise and decided to not exclude any dungeon from LFG pool, and still we get another thread with same posters writing the same stuff over and over again? It's like Flying/Nolstarius etc. "discussion" over and over again.

Maybe because mythic 0 are a bit easy?
Or maybe because 830-835 people can not get into mythic 0 through LFG tool, as people want 850++ super fast runs there for quests mostly?

It is not easy for 830-835 random group with no coordination or experience. In group finder you can set ilvl to match your skills and your group level of coordination. And you can set good group composition. And you know that people in Group Finder are usually more experienced than typical player in LFG. And it is a good thing when we have "middle ground" between easy heroics and challenging mythic+, new players get use to Group Finder tool.

And again, posting angry posts and threads over and over again won't make you right. Make a poll if you want know what people here actually think.

[Jewsco]

Let's not forget that this was the same timeframe where certain classes couldn't get groups at all because they didn't have CC, or the rightght kind of CC. Certain specs also couldn't get groups because they were legitimately broken.

Server rep was almost meaningless for some people because of these conditions. Matchmaking evened this out somewhat because it didn't discriminate like players in trade chat did. It evened the playing field somewhat.

So almost like it is now again with hunters having no cc and some bad so all considered bad and pulling everything right? Try to join a
looking for now and see. My 880 hunter regularly gets denied. Real fun.

[Deleted]

why isnt everything queable? organized guilds/groups will get shit done faster anyway and those who dont have the time to live their lifes on a virtual schedule or just refuse to will face wipefests and get shit done much later. what do you care?

[Wries]

They have been down the road before with auto-grouping for content that actually requires a brain. Didn't work out well.

But yes, the +0 mythics can now be outgeared by a large part of the playerbase. Hence they're not considered to be hard anymore and auto-grouping would probably go ok.

Blizzard seems to be solving this in 7.2 by rebalancing heroics and mythics to be harder and to reward better loot. I would hope they also let you complete current mythic quest objectives in heroics as well, but we'll see.

[SirCowdog]

So almost like it is now again with hunters having no cc and some bad so all considered bad and pulling everything right? Try to join a
looking for now and see. My 880 hunter regularly gets denied. Real fun.

Right now is nothing compared to back in TBC. I also main a hunter, and while it can be frustrating to be a pure DPS looking for a group, it's not impossible like it was for some DPS specs during TBC.

[beeftotem]

Blizzard seems to be solving this in 7.2 by rebalancing heroics and mythics to be harder and to reward better loot. I would hope they also let you complete current mythic quest objectives in heroics as well, but we'll see.

When you say mythic quests are you talking about the ones you get from havi or are there world quests that can only be done on mythic?

[Usagi Senshi]

Elec and Jay are both wrong, server community was always shit and rep really didn't matter. I saw many assholes in a lot of dungeons with no repercussions when I was on Zul'jin (one the the biggest PVE servers) until mid-2006. PVP is where people would actually blackball you and the like if you were a dickhead. I even ninja-looted the sword set from UBRS with no problem, lol.

FFXIV is a good example of a good server community with everything accessible. Way less assholes/children than WoW though.

[Deleted]

So that we can easily find groups to do Mythic Dungeons.

I think you asked the wrong question...

[Delaios]

When you say mythic quests are you talking about the ones you get from havi or are there world quests that can only be done on mythic?

There are plenty of quests that require you to do a dungeon on mythic difficulty:
- class halls can have missions that ask you to kill the end boss in a mythic dungeon
- the artifact questline requires you to do a few select mythic dungeons
- the Karazhan attunement requires a selection of mythic dungeons
- the Suramar dungeons are mythic only

[Sansnom]

They have been down the road before with auto-grouping for content that actually requires a brain. Didn't work out well.

The reason it failed was not always due to the difficulty. It was mostly due to the unhelpfulness many people have in random group. The expectation is they expecting everyone and their pet goldfish to outgear and familiar with dungeon already. They are not here to experience the dungeon, or teach others. They are there to get loot. You are there to help them to get loot.

This is not just in dungeons. It happens for most PUGs, especially in raids. Which is why most majority of PUGs ask for previous experience. They are not there to teach people. They are there for fast loot run.

[Deleted]

I 100% guarantee that if Mythic was on the auto queue system, you would have threads popping up asking why Mythic+2 couldn't be put in LFD as well. It's a slippery slope, and I'm glad they have left something for people that can actually interact with others.

Literally nobody is wanting Mythic + automated,

[Elim Garak]

Literally nobody is wanting Mythic + automated,

Oh please, I bet everyone wants the "teleport to the instance" feature of the LFD

[gnoop]

Literally nobody is wanting Mythic + automated,

Automate everything. I'm fine with it.

[TheVaryag]

I've noticed this a bit on the forums and a few fansites that people are asking for them to be on the LFD queue. Why? What is wrong with forming your own group and going there? Just seems to me people want a way to get more free purples for minimal effort when there are already plenty of ways of that in LFR and World Quests.

I don't think Mythic dungeons can feel like classic dungeons, until people actually re-learn that this Is needed to complete a hard part of the Game, to be nice, to be In a group, to co-operate, to CC, to carefully pull mobs one by one, tell tactics to eachother If one doesn't know...

Buuuut that doesn't happen. Blizzard hasn't tried to learn people to do that since Mid-Wrath since LFG was Introduced and Meeting Stones became obsolete unless you're doing a guild run which is still a great minority.

In Mythics, people are as much dicks as In Heroic, trying to do the same "I can pull half the dungeon and survive It lol lol I'm l33t hi because I raid mythics and I'm an elitist jerk" It's partly peoples fault and Blizzard, they've done nothing to encourage playing together and acomplishing such things together since LFG was Introduced and the concept of being nicer, working together to get that last boss down properly has vanished.

So I'd say It'll take a few more expansion for Blizzard to re-teach people that doing stuff together, summoning people at a meeting stone, manually making your group Is the way to go and even make friends. I still have about 10 friends I can name to this day I've met from Vanilla through TBC and to Wrath, that I made during dungeoning In that fashion, or doing outdoor group content. But since Late Wrath that's not really happened. Some people meet their soulmates and get to marry that way, I'm just saying.

[ShiyoKozuki]

I dont have the time or patience to spend 45mins making a group that could fail & fall apart on a wipe, then to spend another 20mins finding a replacement. i have a job, i have a life & i can't dedicate myself to doing that. My friends are playing BF1, TF2 & new pvp games.

If you don't have time for something, maybe you shouldn't be doing it?
You sound like someone that should NOT be playing a MMO.
You're also the type of person that forced devs to change MMO's to design around YOU.

[Osmeric]

If you don't have time for something, maybe you shouldn't be doing it?

This is not an argument that can convince a game designer that they haven't made a mistake. "Don't like our game design? Simple solution: stop sending us money! Problem solved. Wait, why is security escorting me out of the building?"