When do we get to hang woflboy for treason?

[Flurryfang]

Okay i was paraphrasing abit but after Arthas' defeat she did try to off herself, in the shadowlands which is essentially hell she mentions only feeling things like hopelessnes, dispair and regret which I am sure she is not interested in feeling eternally so while she may not fear death she probably don't want to go back to the shadowlands anytime soon.

So she is afraid of death? Well, everyone is afraid of death, apart from the crazy holy people But it does not seem to be a main factor in her character. Sure, she has had a near death experience, but it does not seem to have affected her or changed her actions. The reason behind most of her actions can be lead back to her position as leader and her responsibility for the Horde, but mostly for the Forsaken.

[Grimfrost]

Anduin is too much of a pussy to do so and he did stop sylvanas from taking those valkyrs which is good for the allience. We need everyone in this war against the burning legion and if we would hang greymane you'd upset alot of worgen and of course a strong leader. Genn might have anger issues but he has reasons and he did something good.

[Dhrizzle]

Except the way this particular alliance works makes Anduin the highest military commander. Genn went against the orders given to him by the High King. Which is treason.

That is not treason, it's nothing like treason. If Genn had attacked Gilneans then maybe it could be defined as treason but as he is the sovereign ruler of Gilneas even that isn't a certainty.

[Traveler Voltin]

Its treason against the alliance.

[Gambit5555]

Yes they would.

They would simply have the prosecutor ask this:

"Would the defendent please explain why they think Sylvanas would betray the Alliance in a moment of clear victory against a common enemy to which the survival of both sides hinges on destruction of said common enemy. Surely a well educated man such as yourself would agree that it is far more likely that not all was going to plan. Another witness on this day even heard you say that this was an obvious trap set by the common enemy. It would take the irrationality of a rabid dog to think Sylvanas and the horde denied themselves victory and safety just to kill Varian."

because members of the enemies government took the exact same actions 8 years ago when fighting in a near identical situation

[Ealyssa]

Not in support of either faction, but did you miss the part where he stopped Sylvanas from gaining control of all the Val'kyr? Essentially stopping here from being immortal.

Yay stoping someone of your side to be immortal in a war against the legion. Sound really smart.

That old wolf is a lunatic. Sylvanas is not the ennemy here.

And yes, I play alliance.

[Shammyrock]

Sylvanas is definitely an enemy to Gilneas. Doesn't solve much if we beat the Legion only to have an immortal Lich Queen at our gates.

[Traveler Voltin]

Immortal in the warcraft is unable to die of old age. Which all forsaken are even Sylvanas.

[Shammyrock]

* Lich Queen with the means to resurrect herself infinitely

For the picky among us.

[derpkitteh]

Its treason against the alliance.

it's not treason, but it's a complete and total disregard of his orders that could spark an all out war, and in real life would get him a death penalty court marshal.

[Dhrizzle]

it's not treason, but it's a complete and total disregard of his orders that could spark an all out war, and in real life would get him a death penalty court marshal.

There's no-one with the authority to give him the death penalty as he is the absolute monarch (in exile) of a sovereign nation. As a king I'm not even sure if he could be court-martialed, as I said earlier at most Anduin could stop placing Stormwind troops under Greymane's command, banish him from the kingdom of Stormwind and try to persuade the other leaders to do the same with the intent of removing Gilneas from the Alliance.

I suppose he could also try to persuade the Gilneans that attacking Sylvanas was against their interests and try to foster a revolution against Greymane, but royals rarely like to turn people against royals just in case the idea catches on.

[Kithelle]

To be honest the story has changed a lot, shes more looking to redeem her people, spare them from a life of undeath. Shes not really the Lich Queen anymore, a lot has changed since Cata.

That is complete bullshit...she wants to enslave a entire race for her own desires...

[SirCowdog]

Makes all the sense given how she was ordered to retread by Vol'jin.

And how would anyone on the alliance know that? I'm talking about from their point of view.

[Stelio Kontos]

I didn't see any "prosecutions" or whining from Horde players when the Horde betrayed and then murdered Alliance forces at the Broken Front in Northrend back in Wrath. The Horde and Alliance were working together to push against the Lich King, and when the Alliance attacked the gate, the Horde recon force didn't just not help, they put an axe in the back of the Alliance by attacking them, unprovoked, from behind while the Alliance fought the Scourge.

When you turn in the quest, the Horde commander says the following:

"They saw the Alliance assaulting the gate and they attacked them from behind...

<After a brief pause, Korm bursts into laughter.>

THAT is what it means to be HORDE!

Were it not for them, the Alliance maggots would likely be holding that gate!

Their boldness has bought us precious time."

So spare me the Horde tears about what Greymane did. Apparently, attacking an erstwhile ally from behind while they fight your common foe is what it means to be Horde, but when it's done to you it's time to spit out the pacifier and have a good cry about it.

[Kallisto]

I didn't see any "prosecutions" or whining from Horde players when the Horde betrayed and then murdered Alliance forces at the Broken Front in Northrend back in Wrath. The Horde and Alliance were working together to push against the Lich King, and when the Alliance attacked the gate, the Horde recon force didn't just not help, they put an axe in the back of the Alliance by attacking them, unprovoked, from behind while the Alliance fought the Scourge.

Varian had already declared war on the horde at this point so it's not the same situation at all. Stupid as hell on the horde side but they were at war that was declared on them by the Alliance king.

[enchiridion]

doing the right thing for the wrong reason doesn't make you right. it just makes you a shitbag that happened to cause something good.

stopping sylvanas is a good thing, yes. but what he did would get him a court marshal in any real life military. we're supposed to be focused on the legion, he directly broke his orders to attack the horde.

Evir is not a god, but a titan construct. She might have given sylvanas control over a new group of Val'kyrs, but unlimted val'kyr?? I don't think so.

And again, Sylvanas is not after immortality, but Val'kyr to ress more Forsaken. She is looking for a way to keep the production of Forsaken going, so that they don't die out because of their losses in war.

I think that while Genn and the admiral did not go act in treason, they did go against Anduins orders. They were ordered to follow the forsaken fleet and only attack if they were provoked or an unique opportunity presents itself. Instead of following them, they just attacked head on and therefore losing the battle completly. I think that Anduin would much rather have an airship instead of seeing 3 destroyed forsaken boats. Genn could have done a much better job of sabotaging Sylvanas, if he had just followed orders and shadowed Sylvanases trail. With an airship in Stormheim, he could have kept watch and made sure, that the Alliance had the upper hand.

So i think that he has some explaining to do.

Which you base on what?




Your chronology is so off it's not even funny. And not only was the Blight not mentioned during Garrosh's trial for his Warcrimes, making your claim it's "widely regarded as one within the Warcraft universe" a falsehood (and because of that, nothing more than projection of real world and as such rather funny in context of the part in bold), but the Forsaken were supplied by the Garrosh-led Horde with accepted strains of Blight during Cataclysm.




What he said to the Alliance players is that he's going to bend his orders. Nothing about Forsaken fleet sailing around provokes an attack. And neither does a war from half a decade ago that was already over. Especially since Anduin being the High King wouldn't limit himself to the scope of Gilneas.

The Stormheim opening cinematic starts with Genn opening fire upon the forsaken fleet. It is very clear, that Genn is the attacker and that Sylvanas did not know of him being there. She was prepared for the worst, which is why the Forsaken had an entire amada of bats with them.

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But Evir can die, just as anybody else. They might call her goddess, but she is not a god. Just like Odyn, she is a titan construct. She would be able to provide Sylvanas Val'kyr, but the alliance could always just free her. Also, Sylvanas already have some Val'kyr and she was nothing like a lich queen in Cata or MoP.

I don't where you get this from In the leveling zone in Silverpine forrest and in the opening event of Stormheim, all she is talking about is how the Val'kyr are keeping her people alive and nothing about how she afraid of death. You sure its not some non-canon stuff?

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Have yet to see where Sylvanas is talking about being super afriad of death, even to the point of sacrificing her own people. The silverpine forrest questline is nearly all about Sylvanas, while being ruthless, really caring about her people's future. It is also said very clearly, that the Val'kyr is the only way for her people to have future, now that Arthas is dead.


And the plaque, that Sylvanas uses on the skyfire is more like nitroglycerin then a disease. The forsaken apothecary have found many ways to make chemical explosives.

Sylv fear of death is in outside of game comics that are cannon, and iirc the reaction that npc's have when we see the plague creates the impression that it IS the plague, been a while i could be mistaken on that point.

Which you base on what?




Your chronology is so off it's not even funny. And not only was the Blight not mentioned during Garrosh's trial for his Warcrimes, making your claim it's "widely regarded as one within the Warcraft universe" a falsehood (and because of that, nothing more than projection of real world and as such rather funny in context of the part in bold), but the Forsaken were supplied by the Garrosh-led Horde with accepted strains of Blight during Cataclysm.




What he said to the Alliance players is that he's going to bend his orders. Nothing about Forsaken fleet sailing around provokes an attack. And neither does a war from half a decade ago that was already over. Especially since Anduin being the High King wouldn't limit himself to the scope of Gilneas.

i already said that i am likely mistaken so your first point is moot- as for Garrosh forbidding the use of it, did you forget the worgen starting zone? i didnt say he said anything about it during warcrimes just that he is known for them. As for widely regarded as a warcrime it isnt expressely said but the reactions of garrosh and all of the forces at the wrath gate shows how heinous an act using the plague is.

[Jetstream]

Please don't kill off the only vaguely cool alliance faction leader.

I don't like what you're implying about Gelbin Mekkatorque.

[Deleted]

as another member of the horde, they don't fit the horde anymore and neither does sylvanas. they ruined that whole faction in cataclysm,

If that means The Forsaken goes rogue, I do hope players are able to join. Much rather prefer to reroll Forsaken and join Sylvanas instead of another few expansions of green jesus or any of the other shallow faction leaders the Horde have because Blizzard needed to make so much anti-Horde expansions.

[Muxtar]

You guys realize this is copy-past of similar Sylvanas bias thread that was on this forum couple of days ago?

To OP: still fat, still lame. 0/10

[Deleted]

I hate that wolfboy for wanting to kill the only cool leader of the Horde.

Finally she's in control and finally I get to cut of heads for my quest rewards and disintegrate soldiers and monsters alike. Jesus, that "bile" you are throwing at the griphon-riders at the beginning of Stormheim sure is potent.

She's also the most interesting character. I'm really eager to see what her deal with Helya is all about.
Especially now after Helya is dead.


We might see Sylvanas ruling over Helheim soon, basically avoiding "death" (void-afterlife) and thus the fate of eternal torment in some way.