Yes, that's exactly what happens. Like I mentioned earlier, my girlfriend is a non-Muslim Iranian, and had to go through this exact same special registration procedure when she came into the country under George W. Bush.
Of course if Trump has his way, who even knows if she'll get to keep her visa? And her parents and sister almost certainly won't be able to come visit her.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Yes, that's what ISIS is. They do what they do because of what they believe in. Should we ignore that fact in order to maintain our PC status? Because that's a giant load of horse shit. Religious freedom reaches its limit when what you believe violates the basic freedom of others. Strapping a bomb on yourself and blowing yourself up in a crowd of people is a violation of a few basic freedoms.
Now that doesn't mean we can't recognize the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are not Islamic extremists. If you can't make make a distinction between Islamic extremism and an ordinary Muslim then that makes you the bigot (not that you called me a bigot).
But if your point is that we're categorizing entire countries based on a few religious fanatics and we shouldn't do that, I would say that it depends on quite a few circumstances. Let's go back to the Westboro example. Let's say the government wanted to keep track of people from that church because they're ass holes, but they had no way of keeping track of who attends. How would they do that? Well, they might do it by keeping track of people who live in Topeka, Kansas. Now in the case of ISIS, it's much more spread out. So you have to keep track of a much larger area.
All that said, I'm not sure that any of this would really even be necessary or worth it. But that's not what I'm arguing. I'm just saying that there are no violations of people's freedoms in this policy in and of itself. If you want to argue that it could lead to violations of people's religious freedom and that it is a step in that direction, then maybe you could have an argument.
No problem. They can keep track of the people in WBC, because the WBC folks have actually DONE something to merit that. What would be inappropriate would be to keep track of every person from the home towns of the people in the WBC, and all the people who call themselves Christian, just in case they MIGHT be like the people from WBC.
My girlfriend said that the process was annoying in the past, but she's lived with it forever now. The bigger annoyance is always having to second guess what she can do while she's in the US, because she has to be double careful never to do anything that might even raise the slightest suspicion that she may be up to something weird. For example, if my uncle invites us to the gun range to shoot targets, she'd have to decline, for fear that someone might report her presence there to the police or ICE or whoever.I'd like to hear what an American Muslim thinks of this. Do they really feel like this threatens their religious freedom?
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
I wonder when free people take this message as offensive and start... to do something... violent? Isn't freedom a right? Take it, die for it.
It's pretty easy for conservatives to give up the liberties and freedoms of others so they can feel safer.
I do like how the conservatives are broken up into a few groups in this thread... some straight up denying that these people even discussed making a muslim registry. "YOU CAN'T TRUST THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA TO REPORT ANYTHING TRUTHFULLY!"
The others who are like "This is a great thing, we should definitely register all brown people to be safe!"
Some who are like "We need to do more, we still need to ban and deport all muslims!"
And then the two conservatives who are like "I seriously hope they don't go through with this." But those people have always been the most reasonable conservatives on these boards, and get mad respect.
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
A criminal background check or something equivalent should be placed as a standard. But to track a human like a micro chipped puppy is a bit too much.
Great news. I hope Europe will do the same. Look at the amount of Muslims jailed in France for terrorism. Almost 500 in ONE year. It's insane. I have never seen ONE Asian/Buddhist commit terrorism in the West.
True, but what if the people from WBC met privately and had members all around the state of Kansas? At that point I think it becomes a question of how much of a threat they really are. Do they have the potential to blow up a skyscraper? Is it possible they are in possession of nuclear weapons? If they are that much of a threat, I feel like it becomes necessary. Not saying that ISIS is that much of a threat, but it's something to think about.
I'm curious as to whether or not anything would actually happen if she went to a shooting range or if she's just overly paranoid due to the media blowing things out of proportion. In any case, it's unfortunate that she feels she has to be careful like that.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Can people actually talk about reforming the Islamic Community so that such laws are not necessary? As an EX Muslim, I can sincerely say there is genuine rot in Islamic community typically pakistani and Somalian community. What can we do to reform the community perhaps education in schools on Islam? It might be possible to cause schism among eastern and western muslims
Something people seem to forget, and its in your quote, is that this will be reinstated. I dont recall so much outrage after 9/11, when the Bush Administration first implemented it. Now Im on the side that this is a bad idea, but it will be the second time this bad idea surfaces. This isnt new.
I'm sorry, but my neuroscientist girlfriend is not someone with the potential to blow up a skyscraper. Nor is she in possession of a nuclear bomb. Nor are the vast majority of people coming into the country. If we couldn't tell who from Kansas was a terrorist and who wasn't, I wouldn't be in favor of treating every person from Kansas as if they were a terrorist, because that would be unnecessarily impinging on the rights and privileges of the people of Kansas. Instead, I think we should be concentrating on actions. Seeking out people we know have links to extremism. You know, the stuff that actually helps us find people plotting attacks.
It's part of the collective anxiety of people from Muslim countries living in the United States right now. They're all hyper-aware that the country is suspicious of them, and try to teach each other how to avoid drawing groundless suspicion to themselves. There's a bit of survival mode going on there, which is really unfortunate. It sucks to have to live in paranoia.I'm curious as to whether or not anything would actually happen if she went to a shooting range or if she's just overly paranoid due to the media blowing things out of proportion. In any case, it's unfortunate that she feels she has to be careful like that.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!