Alt Right leader in DC gives speech "Hail Trump, hail victory"

[Ravenblade]

Oh, that guy, Spencer, would certainly face legal measures if he did that here. Doesn't matter if he uses the English or German version of Sieg Heil! The problem is that he uses rhetoric patterns just like classic (neo)nazi demagogues do/did here, also supporters show interesting equalities in gestures. If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck,...

[ParanoiD84]

Roman Salute is getting popular again

[Deleted]

Lul he actually used the term cuck, the absolute madman.

Hail Trump
Praise Kek

[Deleted]

I think he got cucked himself and is being used as a plant. (((They))) should stop using people like him to further racial tensions between ethnic groups. Alt-right, if that even exists, has no leaders, unlike BLM.

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[Kaleredar]

Ted Cruz is much more crazy and dangerous than Donald Trump.

He's establishment enough that he'd at least just do as he's told, and probably not go about appointing white supremacists to governance positions.

Donald Trump has the "cut off the nose to spite the face" air about him. That's pretty dangerous in a leader.

[Ravenblade]

Roman Salute is getting popular again

That certainly is up to debate. There's no single piece of ancient literature, art or imagery which proves that the Hitler salute is actually the Roman salute. It is more likely that there was a gesture of benevolence and respect but it was never used in stiffly manner, not as regular greeting and certainly not by the masses. The Pope salute is probably the last actual remnant of that salute.

[Hyral]

Terms and ideas have leaders now? I'd like to meet the individual leaders of Capitalism and Democracy. Have a couple of words with them about how some capitalists act and how democracy has some issues they need to fix.

Oh wait.

[Kaleredar]

That certainly is up to debate. There's no single piece of ancient literature, art or imagery which proves that the Hitler salute is actually the Roman salute. It is more likely that there was a gesture of benevolence and respect but it was never used in stiffly manner, not as regular greeting and certainly not by the masses. The Pope salute is probably the last actual remnant of that salute.

That's like saying the Hitler Moustache should be attributed to Charlie chaplin and that people should start wearing it again. Same with the swastika.

Hitler may not have invented the Roman salute or the swastika, but those things have been irreversibly associated with Nazism in the western world.

Anyone brandishing them is doing so knowing they tie directly to Nazism, and shouldn't pretend otherwise.

Terms and ideas have leaders now? I'd like to meet the individual leaders of Capitalism and Democracy. Have a couple of words with them about how some capitalists act and how democracy has some issues they need to fix.

Oh wait.

I'm not really understanding this contention popping up.

Are you asserting that the "alt-right" does not have prominent individuals within it?

Are you also asserting that these prominent individuals (whom you won't call leaders for some reason) don't espouse white supremacist rhetoric?



Because that seems to be demonstrably bullshit and reeks of nothing but deflection.


If people are going to associate with neonazis, they should at least come out and say it, or acknowledge that their ideas strangely align with those of neonazis. Which should probably cause them to rethink their chosen association with those ideas and how valid they are. Especially if they're the ones coming up with the ideas.

[ParanoiD84]

That certainly is up to debate. There's no single piece of ancient literature, art or imagery which proves that the Hitler salute is actually the Roman salute. It is more likely that there was a gesture of benevolence and respect but it was never used in stiffly manner, not as regular greeting and certainly not by the masses. The Pope salute is probably the last actual remnant of that salute.

Fair enough, Bellamy salute then? the one american children used in school to Pledge the Allegiance to the american flag.



Either way the nazis stole the salute just like they stole their swastika.

[Kaleredar]

Fair enough, Bellamy salute then? the one american children used in school to Pledge the Allegiance to the american flag.

Weird how that fell out of style around the 40s.

[NED funded]

-Rampant non-sequiturs

Those aren't non sequiturs.

[Deleted]

What exactly is there to defend? Hailing Trump and hailing victory is not evil.

And they say right wingers are thick.

[Machismo]

This is a bunch of racist people being racist, no surprise there. The real issue is the fact that racist people have gained power from the last election, which should be cause for alarm. Racism without power is meaningless. Racism with power is extremely dangerous.

[Glorious Leader]

Theirs something really disturbing about equating BLM and these neo-nazis. Its wrong on many many levels.

[NED funded]

Hey let's not bring anime into this. Anime did nothing wrong.

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Obama won because his slogan was change, and Trump won because of the same thing.

Hopefully the Democrats learn from this election and put up somebody who doesn't make Trump look good this time.

Anime was a mistake.

[Kaleredar]

Theirs something really disturbing about equating BLM and these neo-nazis. Its wrong on many many levels.

It's called whataboutism.


Right-wingers suddenly love Russia; it's only fitting they follow in their footsteps to deflect any and all criticism. Lord knows that their new poster child doesn't have any merits to stand on on his own.

[Ravenblade]

Fair enough, Bellamy salute then? the one american children used in school to Pledge the Allegiance to the american flag.



Either way the nazis stole the salute.

The depictions which the supposed saluto romano is based on are usually 18th-19th century paintings. Everyone adopted it from there including the nazis.

The difference between the actual Roman salute would be one higher official towards another one in respect, or one towards the masses in benevolence.

The version adopted from paintings is used as a mass-ready gesture of identity, for instance the Nazis used it as a form of repeated oath of allegiance towards the party and their leader and the traditional Hitler greeting as well as the different variations are banned in Germany.

These are different contexts, really, identity versus display of benevolence.

[Cyberowl]

The best thing about this thread is exposing the posters (on yet another occasion) who can simultaneously post "They are a few bad apples!" and "The tolerant left strikes again!".

Self-awareness of a stone, probably the brain of one too.

[ParanoiD84]

The depictions which the supposed saluto romano is based on are usually 18th-19th century paintings. Everyone adopted it from there including the nazis.

The difference between the actual Roman salute would be one higher official towards another one in respect, or one towards the masses in benevolence.

The version adopted from paintings is used as a mass-ready gesture of identity, for instance the Nazis used it as a form of repeated oath of allegiance towards the party and their leader and the traditional Hitler greeting as well as the different variations are banned in Germany.

These are different contexts, really, identity versus display of benevolence.

Good stuff, guessing its the painting from 1786 that started it then The Oath of the Horatii, or one of the ones that started the salute. I was under the impression that they had found roman statues and paintings with the salute though but i may be wrong and it may be older paintings i got mixed together.

[Deleted]

Ain't nothing wrong with throwing out some national socialist gang signs